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Just a quick question for anyone who might know. My cousin, who is a very successful WLS patient (RNY), told me that during his soft food phase, (2-4 weeks post surgery) they cleared him for refried beans, which he continued to eat through his “honeymoon” phase. I was wondering if that is an acceptable food still. By the way, he had his surgery over 10yrs ago. Have things changed? Is it still ok to have refried beans? And, would it hurt to add a little smooth salsa to it? I guess I am just missing Mexican food, (my favorite cuisine...well next to Italian).

Thanks in advance.

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Refried beans and non chunky salsa will be fine - add hot sauce if you want. :wub:

Keep in mind that, unless you are a vegetarian, there are better sources of protein than beans. 

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I came home from my 2 week check up (actually 12 days out) cleared for soft foods.  I was so excited!  So my first meal was refried beans a little taco sauce (I was afraid of the seeds) and a little melted cheese.  I still love Mexican foods.  Often eating grilled chicken, taco seasoning, onions and peppers with cheese and salsa.  Salsa adds flavor without very many calories.  Early out I could eat eggs and had salsa and eggs.  

Next stage chili is a good choice.  

I grew Carolina reaper peppers and Trinidad scorpion peppers last year for the sons in laws.  We like spicy!

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WOW! Reaper & Scorpion peppers? That’s not spicy, that hellfire...lol. I guess as long as you’re not eating Ghost peppers, you’re ok. Right? 

Well, thank you both for confirming that the are fried beans were ok, had them last night and OH BOY! That was my first tasty meal in 5 weeks, longer if you consider that pre-op liquid diet they had me on. I am definitely going to try chili soon. I love chili.

So I was speaking to my cousin, the one 10yrs out from a VERY successful RNY, and he tells me, “dude, I don’t think you should be eating that stuff.” To which I told him that I was just following the doctors instructions. He then tells me, “I don’t remember having anything other than Ensure for like 4-5 months.” He thinks I am eating solids too soon and that I am risking stretching out my pouch. I told him that the thinking behind it was that the doctor didn’t want me to drop too much weight too quickly because it would result in poor skin elasticity and I would end up looking like a deflated ballon, (not sure I am going to be able to avoid that anyway). He said that if I wasn’t careful I would end my honeymoon period without having lost the required weight. Then I would gain it all back, and be worse off than before. Not sure I believe him, although he does have success on his side.

what do you think?

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As long as you follow your Doctor's orders/plan, you will be fine :)  Things have changed a lot in the past 10 years!  I cannot even fathom being on strictly Ensure for 4-5 months Ugh!  Just stick to the plan.  Yep, the excess skin sucks.  Younger people seem to have a better elasticity to their skin.  I am 53, and I definitely have some loose skin, though I exercise 3x per week.  But believe me, I'd rather have excess skin than skin filled with fat any day!  Clothing hides a lot of it.  Keep up the good work! :)

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42 minutes ago, DrCohbi said:

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Well, thank you both for confirming that the are fried beans were ok, had them last night and OH BOY! That was my first tasty meal in 5 weeks, longer if you consider that pre-op liquid diet they had me on. I am definitely going to try chili soon. I love chili.

So I was speaking to my cousin, the one 10yrs out from a VERY successful RNY, and he tells me, “dude, I don’t think you should be eating that stuff.” To which I told him that I was just following the doctors instructions. He then tells me, “I don’t remember having anything other than Ensure for like 4-5 months.” He thinks I am eating solids too soon and that I am risking stretching out my pouch. I told him that the thinking behind it was that the doctor didn’t want me to drop too much weight too quickly because it would result in poor skin elasticity and I would end up looking like a deflated ballon, (not sure I am going to be able to avoid that anyway). He said that if I wasn’t careful I would end my honeymoon period without having lost the required weight. Then I would gain it all back, and be worse off than before. Not sure I believe him, although he does have success on his side.

what do you think?

I'm with Tammy on sticking with the programme and not pushing the limits.  As for your friend.  Refried beans we on my mushy plan early out.

Wendy's Chilli is pretty popular early out.  Here's a bit of good reading and there's plenty more threads :

Wendy's Chili-Safe at this stage?

Wendy's Chili

Wendy's chili: best food on the planet.

And if you like it - buy several and freeze them.  The upside of that is that the fat solidifies on the top and you can remove it if you want although nutritionally, it only has 4g of fat (for the small).  160 cals, 5g fiber, 14g protein, 4g fat.
 

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Weigh and measure everything you eat.  Stop immediately if you start to feel full or a pressure.  

Greek yogurt, cottage cheese, scrambled eggs.  I added a little marinara sauce to cottage cheese and warmed it in the microwave a couple seconds,  helped with pizza cravings.  I used 4 oz Rubbermaid containers.  I still use those and 6 oz custard cups as serving bowls.  It’s easier to see how much I’m getting.  

Tastes can and do change.  I hate eggs now.  Keep your liquids up and shoot for your protein.  An 11 ounce protein shake has 30 gr protein and counts towards liquids.  

I was on the progress one stage a week program.  Was eating real food in 6 weeks.  My pouch is not stretched.  I can get 3 oz of chicken in.  I can drink 8 oz. before feeling full.  Stay with your plan.  It works!  That’s why the dr. Gave it to you.  

 

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Just hang in there, follow your diet plan, and everything will work out. 

When I was at early post op I found this video to be very inspirational (I still watch it when I need a boost):

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WOW!

Thank you for sharing that video. It is completely inspiring, and most impressive. Makes me think I should start a photo diary of my own. Probably something that many people think they should have done.???

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44 minutes ago, DrCohbi said:

WOW!

Thank you for sharing that video. It is completely inspiring, and most impressive. Makes me think I should start a photo diary of my own. Probably something that many people think they should have done.???

YES, YES, YES.....start taking pics for your “records”. I took a pic in the same outfit (until it didn’t fit anymore) in the same place every month.  Days when I didn’t think I was progressing, I could look back and SEE that I did! :)

(They are on my blog on here but I don’t know how to post them here, so I screen shot them to add here)

(and I loved refried beans but they were too thick so I added plan greek yogurt (like sour cream) and a little water and salsa and blended it up so it was thinner and more tolerable.  Then I would add a little cheese to the top and it was delicious.  Ate it for months and didn’t get tired of it!  Still do now.  Good luck with it.

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Again, WOW!

okay, it’s settled, tomorrow I pick a location, dust off my Nikon, and start snapping pictures. I sure hope that I’ll be able to post such a successful result as you have CheeringCJ. If nothing else, I’ll be able to look back at my progress and gain inspiration.

Thank you all...I’m lucky to have found ThinnerTimes!

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22 hours ago, DrCohbi said:

Again, WOW!

okay, it’s settled, tomorrow I pick a location, dust off my Nikon, and start snapping pictures. I sure hope that I’ll be able to post such a successful result as you have CheeringCJ. If nothing else, I’ll be able to look back at my progress and gain inspiration.

Thank you all...I’m lucky to have found ThinnerTimes!

Oh trust me, they were only for ME to see for the longest time.  I didn’t post them until maybe 4-5 months out? I am not sure, but I was surely embarrassed of them to begin with but they did inspire ME to keep going when the scale wasn’t moving!

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Just so you don't get disappointed about what your pouch will tolerate, I'm 18 months out and still can't eat chili. I'm from Texas, so Mexican food and chili were my staples pre-op. And refried beans worked fine. In fact they were a good one when other foods were hard to get down. But chili hurt. All soups that had solids hurt. It feels like I'm mixing solids with liquids and hurts my pouch. 

I'm only telling you this so you know that all our surgeries are a bit different and affect us a little differently. Good luck, you're doing great!!

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19 hours ago, Cindy Lou Who said:

Just so you don't get disappointed about what your pouch will tolerate, I'm 18 months out and still can't eat chili. I'm from Texas, so Mexican food and chili were my staples pre-op. And refried beans worked fine. In fact they were a good one when other foods were hard to get down. But chili hurt. All soups that had solids hurt. It feels like I'm mixing solids with liquids and hurts my pouch. 

I'm only telling you this so you know that all our surgeries are a bit different and affect us a little differently. Good luck, you're doing great!!

I have that problem with cereal.  I like the go lean protein, I rarely eat it anymore because of that and it doesn't stay with me like an egg and bacon.

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Today marks 5 and 1/2 weeks since my surgery. I’m concerned today because last Sunday we had another family birthday dinner at Olive Garden (our normal gathering spot for years). The reason I am worried is that I don’t seem to have any limits with my pouch. Let me explain; I read on ThinnerTimes how so many of you have experienced dumping syndrome or feeling stuffed with as little as an egg-sized worth of food. I don’t. Never have had one dumping experience and last Sunday, (not even sure why), but I ate 1/2 a breadstick, 1 fried mozzarella stick, then 1 chicken parmigiana chicken breast (probably 6oz or so), and I never even felt full. I don’t understand it. It’s almost now to a point where I am looking for my limits. I have healed from the surgery and for the sole exception of not having raging hunger pangs, I feel the same as before my surgery. I guess I just don’t know what to expect, or how I should feel. But I don’t feel like I have made any progress in my weight loss this week. In the last 4 weeks, I could actually feel and see a real difference, but not for the last week. Again, I don’t even know how or what I should be feeling.

Most likely I will not be trying to ABUSE my pouch anymore, but some small part of me wonders if I even have a pouch. I mean, it’s not like I can peek inside and see for myself. Aside from the absence of deep hunger pangs, I would suspect they opened me up, cut the “hunger pain sensors” then sewed me back up, and that is what has accounted for the weight loss so far. I mean not even my diabetes is under control. Every day I have to fight to get it down from 140-180, and that’s after not eating anything more than an almost pure protein diet. It’s disconcerting because the surgery was supposed to have cured the diabetes. I know how absolutely asinine all this sounds, but these thoughts still sit somewhere in the recesses of my mind.

I guess it doesn’t help that my dear cousin, mentioned previously, tells me constantly that I shouldn’t be eating ANY solids, and that I am just going to regain all my weight and more, just like other people he knows.

Just a little frustrated today. Thanks for listening...

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Also measure yourself- everything- neck, upper arms, thighs, calves, 

 

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At this point you should not be eating empty carbs.  Or fried foods.  That is what will pack the weight on.  

Protein first, lean meats, not fried.  No pasta, bread, rice... you need to begin new eating habits NOW.  You did not have surgery to go back to eating the crap you ate before.  This is a second chance.  Just because you CAN eat something, doesn’t mean you should eat it!  There is absolutely nothing in fried mozzarella sticks, breadsticks and chicken parm is usually fried as well.  When you go out have a game plan in place-  (get a couple of meatballs or grilled chicken).  Something else; when you go out ask that they do not add oil, butter or grease to your food.  (Oftentimes for is heated with a butter substitute sometimes doused in it, which adds calories and makes a healthy choice not so healthy- they add this to everything, chicken, steak...fat equals moisture and flavor)..  If you can’t stick to the healthy options then perhaps suggest someplace you can.  Most places you can check online menus before going..  

I don’t mean to sound harsh but this is the honeymoon phase.  You should make the most of it.  Wring as much nutrition out of every calorie that you can..

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12 hours ago, DrCohbi said:

Never have had one dumping experience and last Sunday, (not even sure why), but I ate 1/2 a breadstick, 1 fried mozzarella stick, then 1 chicken parmigiana chicken breast (probably 6oz or so), and I never even felt full.

Hi! It sounds like you're in the early unsure phase where you're figuring things out - we've all been there, and there are tons of people here with great advice and experience to share.

Careful! Your pouch is new and your sense of fullness has not yet developed. Measure what goes in so you don't hurt yourself and so you get used to eating the correct amount. Your stomach needs to learn all over again what full feels like - it doesn't feel anything at all right now. Go slowly and follow your doctor's plan. The stuff you mentioned above is basically stuff you should probably say goodbye to for your active losing period, honestly. You can probably eat bits of it again once you're at your GW, but right now is a good time to build habits and cut that stuff out of your diet. Think about it like driving a car down a curvy mountain highway: you can either rely on the guardrails to keep you from going over the edge, or you can use the steering wheel to stay in your lane. One of those options is way more sensible than the other one. Don't rely on your pouch to prevent overeating.

12 hours ago, DrCohbi said:

I guess it doesn’t help that my dear cousin, mentioned previously, tells me constantly that I shouldn’t be eating ANY solids, and that I am just going to regain all my weight and more, just like other people he knows.

Your dear cousin is not a bariatric specialist, I imagine? Follow your doctor's orders. 

As for your question about beans and salsa, I eat beans almost every day. They keep me regular, fill me up, taste great, are cheap and easy to prepare, and are available in lots of restaurants. They have more carbs that other kinds of protein, so I don't eat a LOT of them, but they serve their purpose. Most people's plans have beans in there somewhere, and I'd be surprised at the doctor who said not to eat them at all! :) 

Best of luck, especially with your cousin :lol: I'm sure he'll be helpful in providing support eventually, but at the moment it sounds like his advice is somewhat outdated compared to what most surgeons are telling their patients these days. 

 

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