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I have been avoiding checking in as much as id like to lately because when I'm having a tough time, I have a hard time admitting it to others.

As some if you may know, I am going through a rehab program as required by workers compensation in order to help recondition me to hopefully be able to reenter the nursing field. It has been tough as expected, but I am slowly making progress. Then the perfect storm happens - I put my back out to the point where I was bed bound for days. I deal with back pain daily, but this has been the first severe flare up since my surgery in December. Coping mechanisms for my food addiction went out the window, and the self hating cycle began. I'm sure you can all relate to this vicious cycle for your own reasons. So the unhealthy premade foods reentered my home, the binging to the point of pain ( I know it sounds ironic to 'want' more pain on top of the current pain, best way I can explain it is that its like stubbing your toe when you have a broken finger, chances are your going to be distracted toward the new pain). 

In reflection, so I'm not only focusing on the negatives, I am starting to get back on my feet. Normally a flare up to this extent would have knocked me down for a month. This time was a week and a half, still experiencing more pain than usual but it is progress regardless. So I know my weightloss and hardwork has made a difference. Also today I started a pouch reset. So far so good, not easy by any means, but doable! I know this. I need to let go of the feeling that I failed by falling off the wagon and also for not being able to attend rehab during my flare up. Easier said then done, right?

My only other concern right now is that the dietician I am seeing is 'forcing' me to eat more carbs, which I honestly do feel hasn't helped the situation. I feel like she doesn't understand that I can not have those items in my house right now and not overeat them. In time, perhaps, but I still have much to learn. 

Thanks for listening, and sorry for not doing better. 

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Thanks for your honesty and don't apologize to anyone. You didn't fail. In a really tough time you turned back to your old coping mechanisms. It is completely understandable. And, it isn't what you want to keep doing so you put yourself on a better path with a plan. What matters is today. Don't worry about yesterday. 

I vote you tell your dietitian you are eating they way they want you to but follow the plan you know works for you. I have yet to meet anyone outside of a WLS specialist or WLS patient who gets that our needs are simply different.

Seriously, don't stress about falling off the wagon, you are back on now and that is what matters. You will make it to goal. Hang in there.

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1 hour ago, Ladybugzzz86 said:

I have been avoiding checking in as much as id like to lately because when I'm having a tough time, I have a hard time admitting it to others.

As some if you may know, I am going through a rehab program as required by workers compensation in order to help recondition me to hopefully be able to reenter the nursing field. It has been tough as expected, but I am slowly making progress. Then the perfect storm happens - I put my back out to the point where I was bed bound for days. I deal with back pain daily, but this has been the first severe flare up since my surgery in December. Coping mechanisms for my food addiction went out the window, and the self hating cycle began. I'm sure you can all relate to this vicious cycle for your own reasons. So the unhealthy premade foods reentered my home, the binging to the point of pain ( I know it sounds ironic to 'want' more pain on top of the current pain, best way I can explain it is that its like stubbing your toe when you have a broken finger, chances are your going to be distracted toward the new pain). 

In reflection, so I'm not only focusing on the negatives, I am starting to get back on my feet. Normally a flare up to this extent would have knocked me down for a month. This time was a week and a half, still experiencing more pain than usual but it is progress regardless. So I know my weightloss and hardwork has made a difference. Also today I started a pouch reset. So far so good, not easy by any means, but doable! I know this. I need to let go of the feeling that I failed by falling off the wagon and also for not being able to attend rehab during my flare up. Easier said then done, right?

My only other concern right now is that the dietician I am seeing is 'forcing' me to eat more carbs, which I honestly do feel hasn't helped the situation. I feel like she doesn't understand that I can not have those items in my house right now and not overeat them. In time, perhaps, but I still have much to learn. 

Thanks for listening, and sorry for not doing better. 

Big hugzzz to you @Ladybugzzz86.  We all have our stumbles hun.  I agree, that if carbs make you want to eat them all....you should not have them in the house.  Carbs like to scream my name also lately.

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@ladybugzzz86 Sorry that you are having a rough time, hang in there and don't feel like you have failed because you haven't.  I ate off plan for over a week while traveling last month. The 2nd day I was home I started tracking again. I didn't fail, life happened ( I had wedding cake like 4 different times ) Carbs use to be my thing and I LOVE CAKE lol.

How was the pouch reset ?  Could you tell a difference?

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Life happens, shake yourself off and get back in the saddle.  Keep trigger foods out of the house.  This past 10 days we had a couple stay with on Grand Cayman.  The lady would by European chocolate and break a piece off each day.  I don’t have that kind of control, if it’s there it calls my name til it’s gone.  I wasn’t born with the control mechanism...you can do it!  

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You're not a failure, you're human! Life happens. You're back on plan, and success will follow. I wouldn't let anyone force me to eat carbs. Do what works for you. Hugs.

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@Stephtay, @TammyP, @tracyringo, @Cheesehead, & @Gretta - your replies are so appreciated. I have only made it through day one of the pouch reset so far Tracy, but so far I find it extremely useful. I'm starting to differentiate between true hunger/thirst from mind hunger again. I'm starting to feel more in control again. Mind you, it is difficult regaining this control. So glad to hear you were able to have that week, cake and all, and be able to get back on the horse when done. I'm starting to feel like that is the true key to success here - reflect, readjust your plan, and move forward with it like Steph suggested. And I totally agree with you all about the carbs - I even felt much better on reduced carbs. However my Nut made me feel like I was doing bad to my body, and when I expressed the ways in which my low carb diet gave many positives especially with glucose control she basically said that if I continue down this path I will not be able to process carbs in the future, causing me to regain if not put on more weight than before the surgery. Ekkk! 

So I see her tomorrow, I am very nervous about it. I am wondering should I try to talk to her again about it and be made to feel bad about my decision of sticking to low carb, or just smile and nod pretending to follow her advice.

And tyvm for the hugs guys, and right back at yahs <3

And here is a pic of the pouch reset that I am following, its a little longer than the five day, but I'm good with that. Just in case anyone is interested.

10DayPouchReset.jpg

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Lady, I have been wondering where you had been! I totally agree with the others including lie to the NUT if you must! I am thinking that I will have to do the same next month.

Mine wants me eating some carbs each day but she also wants me eating5 times per day. I am doing this and still staying between 700-800 calories but I am also on my second stall since surgery.

Hey, we do what we gotta do in order to succeed. It is our bodies and health on the line. Not the NUT's. ;)

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On the carbs issue (which I will post about later because I'm in different situation really), I saw a new dietician yesterday. My second dietician kept hammering on about carbs and increasing them. The new one was going well until she told me my goal for carbs is 2 serves (a serve is 15g for those who might not know) 6 times a day!!!!!! That's 180g of carbs spread out over the day....and that's a minimum. What the.....!!!!!

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Bugzzzz.....missed you!  Rule #1....never not come here if you are struggling.....it is EXACTLY where you need to be when you need help :). Other than that....it is good that you shared and really good that you're doing the pouch test kind of diet!!  You'll get back in the game and get your groove back in no time!

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Exactly as @CheeringCJ said: you should come here when you are struggling! That’s what we’re here for. 

I’m glad you’re back in control. Hang onto that as long as you can - and if eating low carb helps with control, then do that. And lie about it to your nut if her response to you gives you trouble. Honesty is great when it works for you, but if you’re being held hostage by your nutritionist, it’s not working for you! 

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1 hour ago, Aussie Bear said:

That's 180g of carbs spread out over the day....and that's a minimum. What the.....!!!!!

That's 720 calories from carbs alone. Wow.

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5 minutes ago, Gretta said:

That's 720 calories from carbs alone. Wow.

My previous dietician wanted me to aim for around 200g daily. That's one of the reasons why she is my "previous" dietician. Maybe I'm the one that's wrong????

Also remember I'm not in active weightloss mode and wasn't supposed to be when I was given that target. However, I didn't agree at the time that I had reached my goal weight, so I wasn't interested in doing what she said at the time...I just had to go to her on my surgeon's instructions.

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I know @Jen581791, @CheeringCJ - and I do know better! Doing this alone is not an option for me. Been there done that - it doesn't work. Hey @Aussie Bear, my But (lol auto correct, should be Nut ... But I think I will leave it just for a laugh)wanted me to have a serving of grains 4-5x a day too - my happy spot is one serving every few days, so this really threw me in a loop. I am much happier filling up on foods that are dense in nutrition, rather than calories. I think those foods were useful back in the day, but not in society today where we are surrounded by so much food. @Readytobeme, I think I am going to do just that - I think its time for a white lie. She doesn't specialize in WLS, and might not truly understand that my needs are different. She is more focused on the food pyramid - but for us it is pretty much upside down lol. Thanks for all your comments guys - it really helps knowing I have you all behind me during my good times, and my bad :unsure:

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I’m in maintainence.  But I do eat healthy carbs in fruit.  But that seems like A LOT of carbs.  I’m a firm believer in doing what is working for you body and and your wls..

we are on vacation.  I was eating apples every day and strawberries.  But can’t find a decent apple and strawberries are $7 a pound or better.  I’m sticking with pineapple.  I went through apple withdrawal when we got here, lol!  I pretty much get my carbs from dairy and fruit, but it’s what works for me.

is your NUT a wls NUT?  

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28 minutes ago, Cheesehead said:

I’m in maintainence.  But I do eat healthy carbs in fruit.  But that seems like A LOT of carbs.  I’m a firm believer in doing what is working for you body and and your wls..

we are on vacation.  I was eating apples every day and strawberries.  But can’t find a decent apple and strawberries are $7 a pound or better.  I’m sticking with pineapple.  I went through apple withdrawal when we got here, lol!  I pretty much get my carbs from dairy and fruit, but it’s what works for me.

is your NUT a wls NUT?  

Lol @Cheesehead, my mother would go through the same thing - she needs her apple a day.. Plus it really helps curb her appetite. Before seeing my NUT I liked getting my carbs from dairy and complex carb veggies - I <3 so many veggies that it was easy for me to do yet still stay under around 40-50g per day. My NUT is not a wls one, my program did not offer me any pre or post resources. So when I started going to rehab I asked for it personally because I knew continued weight loss will only help me manage my pain better and achieve reentering the workforce. I am kind of kicking myself in the butt now lol. But who know, maybe it will work out after all. I do enjoy the weekly weighins... Helps me keep a little motivated.

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6 hours ago, Ladybugzzz86 said:

..... She doesn't specialize in WLS, and might not truly understand that my needs are different. She is more focused on the food pyramid - but for us it is pretty much upside down lol. Thanks for all your comments guys - it really helps knowing I have you all behind me during my good times, and my bad :unsure:

Hi Ladybugzzz86, have to agree with the others - you just have to do what will keep you on your Path to loss and better health. You're in the driver's seat and if the nutritionist is thinking about the food pyramid she is not thinking about what works for you, so remember it is just advice.

I just can't have crispy snacks like potato chips in the house because I will eat the entire bag. We all have these things we learn about what we can have around, and what we can't. When I do eat a lot of carbs I also will gain 3-5 pounds of water weight. 

For what it is worth there is a buzz in the recent science literature about kids with insulin-requiring diabetes who got their hemoglobin A1C levels into the normal range by avoiding carbos. Last year there were also some big papers published (using hundreds of thousands of people in 18 countries, so the chance it is true is very very high) showing that heart attacks, strokes and deaths went UP the higher your carbohydrate intake. So the food pyramid with lots of carbohydrates is an outdated concept, and it is clear that diabetes control is much easier with a protein and fat rich diet. 

We're behind you. 

Edited: here is a link to the diabetes and carbos story

How a Low-Carb Diet Might Aid People With Type 1 Diabetes https://nyti.ms/2KDJuCe

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My NUT had a baby and stopped working at the WLS office, but started a practice from home...but it is not in person....more of a skype kind of thing, which is something you should look into.  A WLS NUT that can advise you.  I am going to see a new NUT next week.....hope she is up on WLS.  The one i had before (who is now home) worked AT the WLS office so that was all she did day in and day out.  The place I am going to next week is at an endocrinologist office, so I suspect she is really geared to diabetics.  I went to one before that kept talking in "exchanges"....huh?  I didn't go back.  I wasn't there for diabetes, I just wanted to lose weight.  It maybe be a waste of my time but it is free (most BC/BS insurances cover nutritionist....I get 6 visits a year....not for my WLS just bc everyone is elligible).

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On 5/8/2018 at 11:42 PM, Aussie Bear said:

My previous dietician wanted me to aim for around 200g daily. That's one of the reasons why she is my "previous" dietician. Maybe I'm the one that's wrong????

Also remember I'm not in active weightloss mode and wasn't supposed to be when I was given that target. However, I didn't agree at the time that I had reached my goal weight, so I wasn't interested in doing what she said at the time...I just had to go to her on my surgeon's instructions.

I know this thread has been sleeping for a while, but would like to make a comment:  if you can literally SEE a cause and effect in your body from eating a certain macro (carbs here) and you explain that to a NUT who SEES you for one hour, once a year, if that, why are our concerns being immediately dismissed by them?  I am thinking they need a class of One Size Does NOT Fit All in nutrition programs!

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@Ladybugzzz86 how are you doing?  Haven’t seen you around in a while..

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