Jen581791

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Ugh, any health professional dealing with WLS patients can pretty much toss the word “fat” out with the trash. You’re not skinny fat, Aussie, you’re CONVALESCING, for goodness sake. You are healing. You are following doctor’s orders. I hope you have some salty words for the next person who tells you that. 

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8 hours ago, Aussie Bear said:

I would love to be sitting where you and @NerdyToothpick are right now. I've thought for the past few months that another 6-7 kg more would be a better place to be. The last 6 kg has taken that many months to get off!!! I know that exercise is going to be crucial to get there, even if just to increase metabolism. In my case it isn't just me seeing fat on me...I've also now had many health personnel calling me "skinny fat", this despite them knowing I've been on an exercise ban. These are people who've seen me lose weight, new ones I come into contact with never even mention weight to me, which seems really odd. I don't believe they realise just how demeaning using the "fat" word can be even if they do preface it with the "skinny" adjective. There are days when I feel like I just can't win against the fat shamers!!!! I haven't actually touched base with my surgeon in almost 6 months but am due to see him in a couple of weeks. I have seen another surgeon though, who said I was "perfect". I do have a few years on you two though. I'll be really devastated if my surgeon decides to have a go as well. I don't think it's something he would do, but I'm very sensitive about it now.

Oh, my precious @Aussie Bear! You’ve had a rough time and you’ve managed to do so well. Losing Six kgs, after a revision *and* while immobile is impressive. You’ll get to where you need to be because you are determined AF! 

Words hurt and I can’t take that pain away, but I can send you warm hugs. xoxo

BTW, love the new name!!

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5 hours ago, Jen581791 said:

Ugh, any health professional dealing with WLS patients can pretty much toss the word “fat” out with the trash. You’re not skinny fat, Aussie, you’re CONVALESCING, for goodness sake. You are healing. You are following doctor’s orders. I hope you have some salty words for the next person who tells you that. 

@Jen581791 @Aussie Bear The phrase “health professional” should be put in quotes because some of these people are straight out @$$hole$. Nothing professional about them! 

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2 hours ago, NerdyToothpick said:

@Jen581791 @Aussie Bear The phrase “health professional” should be put in quotes because some of these people are straight out @$$hole$. Nothing professional about them! 

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That is literally the the truest thing your have ever said. ;) 

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7 hours ago, NerdyToothpick said:

@Jen581791 @Aussie Bear The phrase “health professional” should be put in quotes because some of these people are straight out @$$hole$. Nothing professional about them! 

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LOL Toothpick. At least you made me laugh. I didn't actually use the term "professional" for that very reason. My new family doctor (who is a previous one that I've returned to in despair of finding a decent one locally) never made any negative comments like that. If my eyes don't deceive me in his case I'd say he is probably obese himself..... definitely overweight at minimum, and I suspect lives in a glasshouse so doesn't throw stones. Only once did he mention weight to me before, and that was when he was referring me to the ortho the first time and knew it was going to be an issue. Let's be honest, when it comes to orthos, weight is always a front and centre issue if you are overweight or obese.

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On 13/02/2018 at 6:06 PM, Jen581791 said:

Ugh, any health professional dealing with WLS patients can pretty much toss the word “fat” out with the trash. You’re not skinny fat, Aussie, you’re CONVALESCING, for goodness sake. You are healing. You are following doctor’s orders. I hope you have some salty words for the next person who tells you that. 

Learned a new acronym (to me anyway) TOFI....seems dieticians have coined this one which translates to "thin outside, fat inside". I'm finding it extremely difficult to treat these particular supposed health professionals with any degree of respect anymore.

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22 hours ago, Aussie Bear said:

Learned a new acronym (to me anyway) TOFI....seems dieticians have coined this one which translates to "thin outside, fat inside". I'm finding it extremely difficult to treat these particular supposed health professionals with any degree of respect anymore.

It means literally fat (adipose) inside, usually around the middle and it's not a dietician term exclusively.  It's useful in the medical world because even though a person appears to be "normal" weight they can still have the risk factors associated with fat around the middle.  Similar to MONW (Metabolically Obese Normal-Weight).  It's not a judgement (or at least it's not meant to be) but a clinical term to identify risk.

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Hi @Jen581791 Sounded to me from this thread, and some of your other posts that you have upped your calories a bit and are trying to find the level weight, having decided you are at or near the right place. Have to laugh at myself; I've (in retrospect) been at a maintenance place for some months, yet I decided last week to ramp up my exercise and see if I could get to Onederland  .... perhaps more for the mental satisfaction / vanity  than any health or external image angle. I rarely "need" to count my calories or even weigh myself because I am very steady in weight now. I realize now that the goal weight I chose a long time ago could have had another 10 lbs added to it for excess skin, and with that... am not so far from that pre-defined goal. Thanks again for posting this, an interesting set of comments about body image, external and internal validation...

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7 hours ago, msmarymac said:

  Similar to MONW (Metabolically Obese Normal-Weight).  It's not a judgement (or at least it's not meant to be) but a clinical term to identify risk.

Oh great :( That just backs my ex-doctor's refusal to remove "obesity" as one of my health related conditions on my medical record. He claims obesity is for a lifetime despite losing all my excess weight. My ex-dietician's insistence that I was malnourished (despite no issues with my blood draws), and calling me "skinny fat" at every opportunity, has seen both with the hyphenated "ex". 

Doesn't matter how they phrase these terms, I do find them judgemental. A lifetime of being judged for being overweight/obese takes a long time to lose it's sting.

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8 hours ago, BurgundyBoy said:

Hi @Jen581791 Sounded to me from this thread, and some of your other posts that you have upped your calories a bit and are trying to find the level weight, having decided you are at or near the right place. Have to laugh at myself; I've (in retrospect) been at a maintenance place for some months, yet I decided last week to ramp up my exercise and see if I could get to Onederland  .... perhaps more for the mental satisfaction / vanity  than any health or external image angle. I rarely "need" to count my calories or even weigh myself because I am very steady in weight now. I realize now that the goal weight I chose a long time ago could have had another 10 lbs added to it for excess skin, and with that... am not so far from that pre-defined goal. Thanks again for posting this, an interesting set of comments about body image, external and internal validation...

Yes, I've upped my calories to 1200 per day (we'll see how that goes, but I'm getting them in every day, basically, just not sure if that's enough to hold steady). That's necessarily involving eating some pretty calorie dense foods (lots of nuts and cheese), which is kind of a treat.

Since you're still in a honeymoon type timeframe, dropping a few more pounds should work out just fine, I suppose. A little extra muscle will burn a few extra calories, and presto :) 

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