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RANDEE45

SLIDER FOODS?

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What are some examples for slider foods??

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greek yogurt, cereal, apple sauce, really anything mushy. Mashed potatoes, soups, beans. They don't stay with us as long as dense meals like chicken, turkey, fish, etc.

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I believe they are just any thing that is liquid. Ice cream, soup, yogurt, etc.

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SOMEONE SAID CEREAL?? IS THAT TRUE

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Hot cereal like oatmeal and cream of wheat is a slider, the cold stuff not so much for me.

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If it weren't for slider foods, I'd never get my protein in. I suppose that will have to change as I get further along.

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SOMEONE SAID CEREAL?? IS THAT TRUE

according to my plan cereal with milk eaten together is considered a slider.

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Yes, cereal is a slider food as well as oatmeal. I don't think we have to avoid ALL slider foods but try to focus more on dense foods.

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slider foods don't stay in the stomach as long to get digested. that's why meat based proteins are best for us.

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What are some examples for slider foods??

Randee do NOT confuse good soft protein like Greek yogurt for slider foods. Sliders do not have nutritional value that we WLS people need. The following is from http://5daypouchtest.com/articles/art002.html. Hope this helps.

Understanding Slider Foods

The most commonly consumed slider foods include pretzels, crackers (saltines, graham, Ritz, etc.) filled cracker snacks such as Ritz Bits,cheese snacks (Cheetos), popcorn or cheese crackers, tortilla chips with salsa, potato chips, sugar-free cookies, cakes, and candy. You will notice these slider foods are often salty and cause dry mouth so they must be ingested with liquid to be palatable. This is how they become slider foods. They are also, most often, void of nutritional value.

For weight loss surgery patients the process of digestion is different than those who have not undergone gastric surgery. When slider foods are consumed they go into the stomach pouch and exit directly into the jejunum where the simple carbohydrate slurry is quickly absorbed and stored by the body. There is little thermic effect in the digestion of simple carbohydrates like there is in the digestion of protein so little metabolic energy is expended. In most cases patients in the phase of weight loss who eat slider foods will experience a weight loss plateau and possibly the setback of weight gain. And sadly, they will begin to believe their surgical stomach pouch is not functioning properly because they never feel fullness or restriction like they experience when eating protein.

The very nature of the surgical gastric pouch is to cause feelings of tightness or restriction when one has eaten enough food. However, when soft simple carbohydrates are eaten this tightness or restriction does not result and one can continue to eat, unmeasured, copious amounts of non-nutritional food without ever feeling uncomfortable.

Many patients turn to slider foods for this very reason. They do not like the discomfort that results when the pouch is full from eating a measured portion of lean animal or dairy protein without liquids. Yet it is this very restriction that is the desired result of the surgery. The discomfort is intended to signal the cessation of eating. Remembering the "Protein First" rule is crucial to weight management with bariatric surgery.

Gastric bypass, gastric banding (lap-band) and gastric sleeve patients are instructed to follow a high protein diet to facilitate healing and promote weight loss. Bariatric centers advise what is commonly known among weight loss surgery patients as the "Four Rules" the most important of which is "Protein First." That means of all nutrients (protein, carbohydrates, fat and alcohol) the patient is required to eat protein first.

Protein is not always the most comfortable food choice for weight loss surgery patients who feel restriction after eating a very small amount of food. However, for the surgical tool to work correctly a diet rich in protein and low in simple carbohydrate slider foods must be observed. The high protein diet must be followed even after healthy body weight has been achieved in order to maintain a healthy weight and avoid weight regain.

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Thanks to all who applied.. I have a better understanding now...

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Leora, thanks for that post. It clarifies a lot for me!

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great post leorajs!!

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Although you and I seem to usually offer similar advice (great minds think alike ;)), I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, Leora;) As I understand, slider foods are simply foods that slide through the pouch very quickly. Although it is true that many of those types of foods are devoid of or low in nutritional value, some do provide good nutrition. Even slider foods that provide good nutrition can interfere with weight loss/maintenance efforts when eaten regularly because, by definition, they slide through the pouch quickly, leaving you hungry again so that you end up eating more than you would if you ate dense protein.

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Although you and I seem to usually offer similar advice (great minds think alike ;)), I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, Leora;) As I understand, slider foods are simply foods that slide through the pouch very quickly. Although it is true that many of those types of foods are devoid of or low in nutritional value, some do provide good nutrition. Even slider foods that provide good nutrition can interfere with weight loss/maintenance efforts when eaten regularly because, by definition, they slide through the pouch quickly, leaving you hungry again so that you end up eating more than you would if you ate dense protein.

Yes, I agree with you BDM.

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