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Old 06-20-2008, 04:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Milady So Right!!!! Protein Email!!

Beth, you are so right so many times. Now don't go getting a big head, but you and your nut are the best. I just received this from UNJURY protein, and it confirms everything you have been trying to tell so many of us about those disgusting, obscene looking vials of protein.



Important New Protein Quality Guidelines from Surgeons
If you have been reading our updates, you know we have regularly advised that:

- whey protein ISOLATE is better than whey protein concentrate
- collagen-based products such as the test tube products get very low
protein quality scores. Profect and New-Whey are calculated
to have a PDCAAS of 5 or 6 out of a possible 100 (1).

Historically, we have perhaps been the only ones saying this.

Now the bariatric surgeons, dietitians, and nurses have just issued
Protein Quality Guidelines, and everything they recommend is
consistent with what we have said.

While many many products do not meet the guidelines, you should know
that for every single new guideline, UNJURY matches it 100%, fully,
completely, exactly, and it always has.

While the full set of guidelines should become available on the web soon,
here are some of the key messages from the guidelines (2).

1. It’s not enough to know how much protein you are getting (how many grams).
You also have to look at the amino acid profile to know about the
QUALITY of the protein. (Some proteins have almost zero value.)

2. The PDCAAS scoring is the superior way to rate protein quality
(it looks at the levels of each indispensable amino acid).

3. Doctors, nurses and dietitians are advised to use Caution
when recommending any type of collagen-based protein
supplement (for example, the “test tube” products).
So you too should use Caution when using products with
hydrolyzed collagen.

4. Whey protein ISOLATE is better than whey protein concentrate.
(Concentrate has more lactose, and gives you less protein.)

5. Recommended daily grams of (high quality) protein:
70 grams per day during weight loss and low calorie diets.

The society issuing the guidelines is the
American Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery (ASMBS),
and almost certainly your surgeon, dietitian and nurse are members.
The guidelines were announced Monday June 16, 2008 at the ASMBS annual meeting.


You can be sure that most of the products,
those which don’t fully meet the guidelines,
will try to make it sound like they do, or will try to
say that the guidelines are not important.

But here are 2 easy rules to remember:

1: “Caution on Collagen”
(e.g. about 94% of the protein in the test tubes is collagen)

2: Whey Protein ISOLATE is better than Whey Protein Concentrate

Here are three key messages from the guidelines:

A. “The PDCAAS score indicates the overall quality of a protein.”

B. “The PDCAAS score indicates the body’s ability to use that product
for protein synthesis.” (Protein synthesis is necessary for making every cell
in your body.)

C. You can lose lean body mass (for example muscle and organs
including the heart) even if you get the right number of grams of protein,
if the protein doesn’t have each and every
Indispensable Amino Acid IN THE RIGHT AMOUNT.

In other words, even if you used 3 of the “test tubes” every day,
you can still lose muscle and organ tissue because the test tubes
have a deficiency in indispensable amino acids. (1)

We hope this is helpful. If you have any questions, please do ask us.
This is too important to your health.

Healthy regards

Martha and Jerome
UNJURY (R) Protein
~ Medical Quality Protein (TM)
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UNJURY Medical Quality Protien Supplement: High Protein Supplement Uses Whey Protein Isolate. Great tasting whey protein supplements!
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1. We calculated the PDCAAS (amino acid scores) of Profect and New-Whey
based on assays of samples we sent to Covance, Inc, a leading independent
laboratory, in 2007. To our knowledge, they have never disagreed
with our calculation of their PDCAAS scores.

2. Preprint. L. Aills et al. Bariatric Nutrition:
Suggestions for the Surgical Weight Loss Patient.
Surgery for Obesity and Related Diseases
July/August Volume 4, Number 4S, 2008
(Official Journal of the Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery)
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Beth is a protein guru, and I always listen to her.

I have an entire case of the New Whey crap that I didn't even open. Hopefully, Vitamin World will take it back. If not, I'm going to eBay it to some unsuspecting person.
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Beth is a protein guru, and I always listen to her.

I have an entire case of the New Whey crap that I didn't even open. Hopefully, Vitamin World will take it back. If not, I'm going to eBay it to some unsuspecting person.
LOL me too! eBay is a good idea! I'm glad I only bought the 8 samples, though. Did you think they tasted good? I didn't!
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*L* Well thanks, Izzy...I just know who to go to with all of my questions.

Actually the person who presented this information at the ASMBS annual meeting is my surgeon's nutritionist, herself. She is the one who sent me the information. So I have to give her all of the credit. She is a great resource for me. I often send emails her way with all kinds of questions and she gets back to me really quickly. She's great and knows her stuff. Same goes for his nurse. The two of them are awesome and I've made sure my surgeon knows how good of a staff he has working for him.
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LOL me too! eBay is a good idea! I'm glad I only bought the 8 samples, though. Did you think they tasted good? I didn't!
The only type I tried was the Fruit Punch flavor. I mixed it with Hawaiian Punch sugar free Fruit Punch, so I actually didn't taste it at all. Too bad they're no good for you, because it was a lot easier to get down than regular protein.
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The only type I tried was the Fruit Punch flavor. I mixed it with Hawaiian Punch sugar free Fruit Punch, so I actually didn't taste it at all. Too bad they're no good for you, because it was a lot easier to get down than regular protein.
Wanna buy mine? Real cheap price! LOL
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Wanna buy mine? Real cheap price! LOL
Ummm...no thanks, lol. I have a whole 12 pack of it that I didn't use...hopefully Vitamin World will take a return. If not, I'm going to pawn it off to some unsuspecting eBayer.
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