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Old 04-06-2006, 01:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Does carbonation really stretch our pouches?

We've all heard it -- but I keep hoping it isn't so... because I can't seem to drink water and I finally found a diet drink (7-Up with Splenda) that I could drink-- and enjoy. I would try a flavored water drink like Propel but they are sweetened with NutraSweet and I've always had trouble tolerating that. So, for about 4 weeks now I've been drinking Diet 7-Up -- about 1 to 2 16-oz bottles a day. However, I met someone today who has regained about half of her weight because, she said, she drank carbonated drinks which stretched her stomach.

I know I've asked this question before: But can the pouch ever get over 9 oz again? carbonation or no-carbonation?

Also, does anyone have any idea for flavored waters that do not have Nutrasweet in them?

Any feedback will be dearly appreciated.

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Old 04-06-2006, 01:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have been reading as much as I can on the subject. What I can figure is that its not good for anyone - pop....but have found no concrete information that it can stretch our pouch. Another person here quoted saying, how can you stretch something with carbonation when there are 2 open tubes coming out of it. Liquid does not stay in my pouch very long, so I can't see how. The Weight Loss for Dummies book says that they cannot confirm the claim either.

None the less, its not something I am going to drink all the time, but I am not worried about having it every so often when I feel that I need to.
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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My nutritionist did not say that it stretches the pouch, but she did say that the phosphates (sp?) in carbonated bevs inhibit the absoption of calcium and can cause osteoporosis. OK - too many big words there - but soda = bone loss is what we were told.
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Stretch!!

I thought that carbonation caused gas and therefore would be painful and crampy!! Either way I'm not going to find out what it does. Fruit 2 0 is not bad and any crystal light, I'm not sure what crystal light is sweetened with but fruit 2 0 is sweetened with splenda. Yes, water bothers me too!
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Okay - I subscribe to a small locally produced newsletter called "Beyond Change - Information Regarding Obesity and Obesity Surgery" (www.beyondchange.com). They are so small that they oftentimes take months to transfer current printed newsletters to their website, so I will hand type their most recent research on carbonated beverages here (please forgive any typos – I spell checked only, but didn’t re-read the whole thing). Forgive me as it is really long:

"Why Carbonated Beverages are "TABOO" after bariatric Surgery"
By: Cynthia Buffington, Ph.D

Did you drink carbonated soft drinks prior to your Bariatric surgery? Do you still consume carbonated soft drinks? Were you advised by your surgeon or his/her nutritional staff NOT to drink carbonated drinks after surgery? Do you understand why drinking carbonated beverages, even if sugar-free, could jeopardize your weight loss success and, perhaps even your health?

A carbonated beverage is an effervescent drink that releases carbon dioxide under conditions of normal atmospheric pressure. Carbonated drinks include most soft drinks, champagne, beer, and seltzer water. If you consume a soft drink or other carbonated beverage while eating, the carbonation forces food through he stomach pouch, reducing the time food remains in the pouch. The less time food remains in your stomach pouch, the less satiety (feelings of fullness) you experience, enabling you to eat more with increased risk for weight gain.

The gas released from a carbonated beverage mat "stretch" your stomach pouch. Food forced through the pouch by the carbonation could also significantly enlarge the size of your stoma (the opening between the stomach pouch and intestines of patients who have had a gastric bypass or biliopancreatic diversion). An enlarged pouch or stoma would allow you to eat larger amounts of food at any one setting. In this way, consuming carbonated beverages, even if the drinks are diet or calorie free, may cause weight gain or interfere with maximal weight loss success.

Soft drinks may also cause weight gain by reducing the absorption of dietary calcium. Dietary calcium helps to stimulate fat breakdown and reduce its uptake into adipose tissue. Epidemiological and clinical studies have found a close association between obesity and low dietary calcium intake. Recent studies have found that maintaining sufficient amounts of dietary calcium helps to induce weight loss or prevent weight gain following diet.

The high caffeine in carbonated sodas is one way that drinking carbonated soft drinks may reduce the absorption of calcium into the body. Studies have found that caffeine increases urinary calcium content, meaning that high caffeine may interfere with the uptake of dietary calcium into the body. Keep in mind that one 12 oz. can of Mountain Dew has 50 mg of caffeine, and Pepsi and Coke (diet or those with sugar) contain 37 mg of caffeine each.

Colas, such as Pepsi and Coke (diet or with sugar), may also cause calcium deficiencies from the high amounts of phosphoric acid that they contain. Phosphate binds to calcium and the bound calcium cannot be absorbed into the body. Both animal and human studies have found that phosphoric acid is associated with altered calcium homeostasis and low calcium.

Drinking carbonated beverages may also reduce dietary calcium because these beverages replace milk and other nutrient-containing drinks or foods in the diet. Several studies report inverse (negative) relationships between carbonated beverage usage and the amount of milk (particularly children) consume.

Carbonated beverages, then, may reduce dietary calcium because of their high caffeine or phosphoric acid content or because drinking such beverages tends to reduce the consumption of calcium-containing foods and beverages. Such deficiencies in dietary calcium intake may be even more pronounced in Bariatric surgical patients.

Calcium deficiencies with Bariatric surgery have been reported following gastric restrictive and/or malabsorptive procedures. The reduced amounts of calcium with bariatric surgery may occur as a result of low nutrient intake, low levels of vitamin D, or, for patients who have had gastric bypass pr the biliopancreatic diversion (with or without the duodenal switch), from bypass of the portion of the gut where active absorption of calcium normally occurs. Drinking carbonated beverages may further increase the risk for dietary calcium deficiencies and, in this way, hinder maximal weight loss success.

For all the reasons described above, including calcium deficits, reduced satiety, enlargement of pouch or stoma, drinking carbonated beverages, even those that are sugar-free, could lead to weight gain. Carbonated beverages that contain sugar, however, pose a substantially greater threat to the Bariatric patient in terms of weight loss and weight loss maintenance with surgery.

Sugar-containing soft drinks have a relatively high glycemic index, meaning that blood sugar levels readily increase with their consumption. The rapid rise in blood sugar, in turn, increases the production of the hormone, insulin. , that acts to drive sugar into tissues where it is metabolized or processed for storage. High insulin levels, however, also contribute to fat accumulation, driving fat into the fat storage depots and inhibiting the breakdown of fat.

Soft drinks with sugar are also high in calories. An average 12 oz. soft drink contains 10 teaspoons of refined sugar (40g). The typical 12-oz. can of soda contains 150 calories (Coke = 140 calories; Pepsi = 150; Dr. Pepper = 160; orange soda = 180; 7-up = 140; etc.). Soft drinks are the fifth largest source of calories for adults, accounting for 5.6% of all calories that Americans consume. Among adolescents, soft drinks provide 8%- to 9% of calories. An extra 150 calories per day from a soft drink over the course of a year, is equivalent to nearly 16 pounds and that weight gain multiplied by a few years could equate to “morbid obesity”.

In addition to the adverse effects that carbonated drinks have on weight loss or weight loss maintenance, carbonated beverages may also have adverse effects on health. Soda beverages and other carbonated drinks are acidic with a pH of 3.0 or less. Drinking these acidic beverages on an empty stomach in the absence of food, as Bariatric patients are required to do, can upset the fragile acid-alkaline balance of the gastric pouch and intestines and increase the risk for ulcers or even the risk for gastrointestinal adenomas (cancer).

Soft drink usage has also been found to be associated with various other health problems. These include an increased risk for diabetes, cardiovascular disease, kidney stones, bone fractures and reduced bone density, allergies, cancer, acid-peptic disease, dental carries, gingivitis, and more. Soft drinks may, in addition, increase the risk for oxidative stress. This condition is believed to contribute significantly to aging and to diseases associated with aging and obesity, i.e. diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular disease, liver disease, reduced immune function, hypertension, and more.

From the above discussion, do you now have a little better understanding of why your Bariatric surgeon or Bariatric nutritionist advised you NOT to consume carbonated sodas after surgery? Your Bariatric surgeon and his/her staff want to see you achieve the best results possible from your surgery – both in terms of weight loss and health status – and so do YOU. Consider the consequences of drinking such beverages now that you understand more clearly why such drinks are “Bariatric taboo”.
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have seen research on the relationship between pop/soda and calcium absorption before.

I guess for me the issue is moderation. I've had a few glasses of diet coke (de-caff) since surgery and I tolerate it well. In fact, it has sometimes helped sooth an irritated pouch. I have seen medical sites that give diet pop the green light. In fact, the WLS book I bought, which is incredibly thorough, says it's okay after 6 months.

I think it's a matter of tolerance and moderation. I'll never be able to drink diet pop like I used to. It doesn't taste the same now. But it's sure nice for a change from all the sf kool-aids and crystal lites and plain old water. I want to live my life...and not live it in fear I'm going to get a stomach cancer from drinking pop. As for stretching the pouch and/or stoma, my gut (excuse the pun) feeling is that it is hooey. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. Nonetheless, I think if any of us drank pop as our only beverage, it would be problematic.

Maybe I'm rationalizing...but like I said, I'm trying to live a life in moderation.

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Old 04-06-2006, 04:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Moderation is key - I didn't re-type the article because it was my opinion - I re-typed it because it was informative. I would hope each person would follow the advise of their doctor...and their pouch
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Thanks so much for all the feedback so far; and Whitney, thanks for the very informative, helpful article. It gave me a lot to think about.
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Old 04-06-2006, 05:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I was just reading the ingredients in Propel... and it contains sucrose syrup as the second ingredient (but only 6 gms of sugar in a 16 oz bottle); it also contains Sucalarose (is that the same as Splenda?).
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I drink Diet Coke with Splenda with lots of ice to break the carbonation. I drink it once in awhile for example at a restaurant. It is ok once in awhile. I don't need it like I did prior to wls. I just crave it sometimes and follow my cravings. I don't buy a lot for home because I don't want it to become habit.
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