I concede the Diet Pepsi Argument - ThinnerTimes - Gastric Bypass Forum, Lap Band Forum, and Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy Forum

Bama · 11-01-2009, 08:36 PM

Ok, I'm a man who can admit when he is wrong. I was wrong. Yes, diet drinks (pepsi in my case) does prohibit your weight loss. I started out with one a week, then 3 a week, and finally I was up to two/three a day.

I was one of the ones who were allowed to have diet drinks, just had to let them go flat for 30 minutes first. Truth be told, they do make you hungry. I would drink one and within 15-20 minutes I wanted to munch and graze. I hit a 3 week platu and was drinking 3 diet pepsi's a day. I dropped the diet pepsi's and lost 5 lbs with in that first week of being off them. They also, prohibit you from getting all your water in as well. So, there you have it first hand. Diet Drinks are not good post-wls. There, I said it.

styxchic76 · 11-01-2009, 08:39 PM

Bama, you're looking great!!! Thanks for the head's up about diet drinks.

Congrats on your weightloss-you're kickin ass!

You ROCK!

Snow-Belle · 11-01-2009, 10:21 PM

THANK YOU so MUCH for posting this....

I saw the new Diet Mountain Dew Diet Violet and was weakening......thinking, gosh, maybe everything I heard about diet soft drinks was wrong....

Now I'm no longer tempted.... THANK YOUN!!

Time For Heroes · 11-02-2009, 12:58 AM

Whilst obviously your experience is backed by the general consensus of this board, I would just hasten to point out that in reality you can't know what knocked you off your three week plateau, I'm sure everyone has had times where they've done everything right, yet still not lost and then suddenly without changing much started dropping again. It's perfectly possible this was the case with you too.
I'm not saying the Diet Pepsi didn't hinder, there just seems to be a large contingent on these boards who condem things at the drop of a hat (not saying you are one of them).

mistymee · 11-02-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Time For Heroes

there just seems to be a large contingent on these boards who condem things at the drop of a hat (not saying you are one of them).

What may seem like a 'drop of the hat' to some may come more from having been here for a long while and seeing the same issues happen over and over again.

We've seen things like people acknowledging that they drink the stuff and almost always find they struggle with weight, or how starting in on the crackers early post op causes problems a while down the line and stuff like that... there is usually a telling trend.

mistymee · 11-02-2009, 01:19 AM

A while ago, someone quoted their surgeons nurse (was it Bridgetgirl, maybe?)... in saying this in regard to soda drinking post op:

....Not all of their patients who gain weight are soda drinkers but almost all of their soda drinkers are weight gainers....

I don't know if this is true.. and I know there is also conflicting information over whether soda inhibits the absorption of calcium but it all comes down to the risks and benefits, which is what I usually try to use to decide what I'm going to do and given we are already at risk for poor absorption of calcium and the risk of weight gain after our bodies adapt to the malabsorption, these aren't risks I want to take.

Bama- I applaud your coming forward with your experience with soda... it does help to hear of others experiences.

Karlos · 11-02-2009, 01:30 AM

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I'm not saying the Diet Pepsi didn't hinder, there just seems to be a large contingent on these boards who condem things at the drop of a hat

Sorry my fellow Brit, but that is cobblers.

This board, and most of the others are populated with members who have built a wealth of experience through not only research but actually walking the walk. TT has some members who would give most UK nutritionists a good run for their money in terms of post bypass nutrition.

In my short time here this site has given me more support, knowledge and advice than I have ever received from my post op medical team and I believe following that advice has helped me to achieve a huge slice of my success to date.

If experienced people tell me don't do this it will hinder your progress, well quite frankly I listen. They don't merely condemn things at the drop of a hat, they have seen what works and what doesn't time after time. You could learn a great deal from some of the fantastic peeps here my friend, don't miss the opportunity.

Good luck with your road.

jerseygrl684 · 11-02-2009, 05:41 AM

These are the same people that drink and drink and drink (alcohol that is). Then you hear "Oh god, i'm stuck at a stall" or "Ive been eating so much crap cos i'm so busy" Oh and the same people who are eating bread/rice/empty crap carbs early out too.. and wonder why their weight loss slowed down or stopped.

I only drink my coke slurpee right now, when im nauseous. Even then I get the smallest size, don't fill it up all the way, and dont even drink 1/2 of it. Just calms my belly. That is all.

Time For Heroes · 11-02-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mistymee

What may seem like a 'drop of the hat' to some may come more from having been here for a long while and seeing the same issues happen over and over again.

We've seen things like people acknowledging that they drink the stuff and almost always find they struggle with weight, or how starting in on the crackers early post op causes problems a while down the line and stuff like that... there is usually a telling trend.

And that's fair enough, if people have seen the same issues over and over and you then supply not only empirical evidence, but back it up with scientific theory as to why this is the case. Correlation and causation are two entirely different things and whilst a steady correlation makes it easy to assume causation it is dangerous to do so without the facts.

I'm by no means saying that drinking Pepsi is good for you, there are all sorts of reasons that it isn't, however drinking one after it has gone flat would seemingly eliminate the problem of carbonation stretching one's pouch. If you have any solid theory as to why a flat glass of Pepsi would prevent weight loss then I'm more than ready to listen and evaluate it, before coming to my own conclusion.

My post wasn't meant as an attack on any individual, merely as an observation.

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Sorry my fellow Brit, but that is cobblers.

This board, and most of the others are populated with members who have built a wealth of experience through not only research but actually walking the walk. TT has some members who would give most UK nutritionists a good run for their money in terms of post bypass nutrition.

And I'd be more than willing to accept this knowledge they have acquired through their own research if that's what was shared. Poet_Kelly I think she's called always seems to be very helpful and provides reasoned analysis in most of the posts I've seen her make, and that's fine, however to deny that there alot of posts that merely state something is good/bad/indifferent without ever offering any evidence of it would require blindness, intentional or otherwise.
The problem with calling upon a wealth of experience to give advice to others is that it's subjective. It's easy enough for a group of people to come to a completely erroneous conclusion based on shared experience when the reality of the situation is something entirely different. I'm not saying that people's experience means nothing, merely that it is hardly grounds to conclusively denounce something.

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In my short time here this site has given me more support, knowledge and advice than I have ever received from my post op medical team and I believe following that advice has helped me to achieve a huge slice of my success to date.

If experienced people tell me don't do this it will hinder your progress, well quite frankly I listen. They don't merely condemn things at the drop of a hat, they have seen what works and what doesn't time after time. You could learn a great deal from some of the fantastic peeps here my friend, don't miss the opportunity.

Good luck with your road.

In the time I've been here I've also picked up invaluable tips and learnt things that I didn't know, however I've also seen things posted which I just know for a fact have little to no scientific backing which people then accept on faith. TT is without a great resource with some great members, however when there are so many people out there willing to believe the majority consensus of a board, the majority of whom I'm guessing aren't qualified nutritionists or surgeons (not claiming that I am), it becomes of the utmost importance to ensure that all information relayed is not only helpful, but factually correct.
As I said earlier I'm not meaning to have a go at anybody, it was a throw away comment that I typed with little thought and even less malice, I'm somewhat astounded that it was even worthy of comment.

jerseygrl684 · 11-02-2009, 06:48 AM

Why do you need a scientific theory? You want the soda, drink the soda. You asked this question like, 10 days ago and got the same responses.

Just don't come on here wondering WHY you stalled or why your weight loss is slow if you are consistently drinking soda. It's been seen through people on here (REAL PEOPLE, NOT STATISTICS) that they have stalled their weight loss and lost weight after getting rid of the useless soda in their lives.