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Post-op Gastric Bypass Gastric bypass post-op concerns, milestones achieved, establishing new eating/exercise habits, dealing with emotions without food to turn to, etc.

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Old 01-15-2007, 09:21 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I do it. I have "pop" (East Coast people are aoo cute!) everyday.
East "Coast" People don't say Pop, it's all the Midwesterners that say that. It's Soda peoples! J/k

I drink Soda, sometimes a lot. Always diet, but that doesn't excuse it. I can't give it up or I get major headaches I'm sure it has attributed to me not reaching my goal. It's a hard habit to drop for sure.
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I drink soda. Not always "just a few sips" or "just one a day". I don't stir the fizzies out. I do drink it in a glass with ice. I do drink diet soda. Even pre-op I drank diet, refular is too sweet for me.

Because of one of my conditions, I have to constantly drink something. And it has to be whatever I'm craving. Sorry food / drink police, but if I'm not feeling water or tea or crystal light, my ass is getting a soda. I don't feel bad about it either.

I also drink when I eat because of this same condition. It's either that or constantly throw up. I'll take my chances on the drinking with food thank you very much.
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Katee! You look so great! I'm glad to see you back!

Soda.... diet or regular... is da Debil! Da Debil I say! Ever seen Hang 'Em High? Clint Eastwood spaghetti western.... guy about to be hung, says...
"The devil is in the bottle." That's true!!! Sorry.... but I hate soda... LOL
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wheeewwww - I came back to this thread thinking that I was going to get all hell bashed out of me, but I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one drinking one measly can of diet soda a day (honestly, it's usually only 1/2 of the can).

I know it isn't good for me - I've known that all my life. My dentist praised me up and down last time I was there because I was off the "sauce" for 6 months, and he could tell (or so he said).

I've gotta cut myself a little slack - it would be SOOOO easy to go back to several cans a day, but I know it's wrong, and I know that it isn't good for me, and I know I went through a lot of pain and hard work to get here. I think the 1/2 can a day is doing a great deal for me in staving off the desire to drink it, and sending me out on a bender.

Hi, my name is Carolyn, and I am a Diet Pepsi drinker..........
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Just look at it as your "treat" for the day or every other day and treat it that way! Don't EVER think of drinking more. You don't make a meal off of treats, so don't make your fluid intake out of soda. Limit yourself to a certain amount and measure it out and ONLY drink that amount and if you get it set in your head that it's your treat and you sit down and truly think about it when you sip it and get the full flavor and savor it til it's gone, then put the glass in the dishwasher and DON'T THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN TIL THE NEXT DAY! I would recommend limiting to like 4 ounces or less also. Don't start with a whole can, because then you have nowhere to go but up and at a whole can......that should be your maximum limit, actually less. I have just died for Mountain Dew sometimes. I have never cared that much for it. I was always a "real" coke drinker (which is nasty as dirt now). I guess it's the citrusey taste, dont really know, but if I ever get weak, I will measure out 2 ounces and put one piece of ice in a tiny little glass and I will stir the bubbles out of it and sit down somewhere by myself in a quiet room and I will sip tiny, itty bitty sips til that 2 ounces is gone. Then, I put my glass away and don't think about it again. I had my fix and I'm fine. I do not do this every day, but I could if I let myself. I just WONT go there! It's too dangerous for me. So, get a grip on it now people and take control of it. Set rules and limits. You have to or it will get out of control like before.
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Default I used to drink a 12 pack a day

of regular coke! no wonder Im at the weight I am. I decided when I started this journey last year that I was going to give up drinking any soda. It was very hard at first I craved it badly I got the headaches and all. But I was told that we couldnt drink it after the surgery and figured I didnt want to quit cold turkey upon having the surgery so I quit before I would have to! its been months and months since I had a soda and I plan on keeping it that way.
I really think its a personal choice though I wouldnt condemn anyone for drinking one. I say whatever gets you thru the day.
As I haven't had the surgery yet I am surprised to hear that you can drink soda??????
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June 13, 2005 -- People who drink diet soft drinks don't lose weight. In fact, they gain weight, a new study shows.

The findings come from eight years of data collected by Sharon P. Fowler, MPH, and colleagues at the University of Texas Health Science Center, San Antonio. Fowler reported the data at the annual meeting of the American Diabetes Association in San Diego.

"What didn't surprise us was that total soft drink use was linked to overweight and obesity," Fowler tells WebMD. "What was surprising was when we looked at people only drinking diet soft drinks, their risk of obesity was even higher."

In fact, when the researchers took a closer look at their data, they found that nearly all the obesity risk from soft drinks came from diet sodas.

"There was a 41% increase in risk of being overweight for every can or bottle of diet soft drink a person consumes each day," Fowler says.

More Diet Drinks, More Weight Gain

Fowler's team looked at seven to eight years of data on 1,550 Mexican-American and non-Hispanic white Americans aged 25 to 64. Of the 622 study participants who were of normal weight at the beginning of the study, about a third became overweight or obese.

For regular soft-drink drinkers, the risk of becoming overweight or obese was:

26% for up to 1/2 can each day
30.4% for 1/2 to one can each day
32.8% for 1 to 2 cans each day
47.2% for more than 2 cans each day.
For diet soft-drink drinkers, the risk of becoming overweight or obese was:

36.5% for up to 1/2 can each day
37.5% for 1/2 to one can each day
54.5% for 1 to 2 cans each day
57.1% for more than 2 cans each day.
For each can of diet soft drink consumed each day, a person's risk of obesity went up 41%.

From Dr. Mercola
Author "Total Health Program"


The Amazing Statistics and Dangers of Soda Pop

Americans drink more soda pop than ever before:


These popular beverages account for more than a quarter of all drinks consumed in the United States.

More than 15 billion gallons were sold in 2000.

That works out to at least one 12-ounce can per day for every man, woman and child.
Kids are heavy consumers of soft drinks, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and they are guzzling soda pop at unprecedented rates.

Carbonated soda pop provides more added sugar in a typical 2-year-old toddler's diet than cookies, candies and ice cream combined.

Fifty-six percent of 8-year-olds down soft drinks daily, and a third of teenage boys drink at least three cans of soda pop per day.

Not only are soft drinks widely available everywhere, from fast food restaurants to video stores, they're now sold in 60 percent of all public and private middle schools and high schools nationwide, according to the National Soft Drink Association. A few schools are even giving away soft drinks to students who buy school lunches.

As soda pop becomes the beverage of choice among the nation's young -- and as soda marketers focus on brand-building among younger and younger consumers -- public health officials, school boards, parents, consumer groups and even the soft drink industry are faced with nagging questions:


How healthful are these beverages, which provide a lot calories, sugars and caffeine but no significant nutritional value?


And what happens if you drink a lot of them at a very young age?
Last week, representatives of the soft drink industry, concerned that public opinion and public policy may turn against them, will staged a three-day "fly-in" to lobby Congress to maintain soft drinks sales in schools; and to educate lawmakers on the "proper perspective" on soft drink use.

The industry plans to counter a US Department of Agriculture proposal, announced in January, that would require all foods sold in schools to meet federal nutrition standards. That would mean that snack foods and soft drinks would have to meet the same standards as school lunches.

Nearly everyone by now has heard the litany on the presumed health effects of soft drinks:


Obesity

Tooth decay
Caffeine dependence
Weakened bones
But does drinking soda pop really cause those things?

To help separate fact from fiction, the Health section reviewed the latest scientific findings and asked an array of experts on both sides of the debate to weigh in on the topic. Be forewarned, however: Compared with the data available on tobacco and even dietary fat, the scientific evidence on soft drinks is less developed. The results can be a lot like soft drinks themselves, both sweet and sticky.

Obesity

One very recent, independent, peer-reviewed study demonstrates a strong link between soda consumption and childhood obesity.

One previous industry-supported, unpublished study showed no link. Explanations of the mechanism by which soda may lead to obesity have not yet been proved, though the evidence for them is strong.

Many people have long assumed that soda -- high in calories and sugar, low in nutrients -- can make kids fat. But until this month there was no solid, scientific evidence demonstrating this.

Reporting in The Lancet, a British medical journal, a team of Harvard researchers presented the first evidence linking soft drink consumption to childhood obesity. They found that 12-year-olds who drank soft drinks regularly were more likely to be overweight than those who didn't.

For each additional daily serving of sugar-sweetened soft drink consumed during the nearly two-year study, the risk of obesity increased 1.6 times.

Obesity experts called the Harvard findings important and praised the study for being prospective. In other words, the Harvard researchers spent 19 months following the children, rather than capturing a snapshot of data from just one day. It's considered statistically more valuable to conduct a study over a long period of time.

Researchers found that schoolchildren who drank soft drinks consumed almost 200 more calories per day than their counterparts who didn't down soft drinks. That finding helps support the notion that we don't compensate well for calories in liquid form.

Tooth Decay

Here's one health effect that even the soft drink industry admits, grudgingly, has merit. In a carefully worded statement, the NSDA says that "there's no scientific evidence that consumption of sugars per se has any negative effect other than dental caries." But the association also correctly notes that soft drinks aren't the sole cause of tooth decay.

In fact, a lot of sugary foods, from fruit juices to candy and even raisins and other dried fruit, have what dentists refer to as "cariogenic properties," which is to say they can cause tooth decay.

Okay, so how many more cavities are soft drink consumers likely to get compared with people who don't drink soda? This is where it gets complicated.

A federally funded study of nearly 3,200 Americans 9 to 29 years old conducted between 1971 and 1974 showed a direct link between tooth decay and soft drinks. Numerous other studies have shown the same link throughout the world, from Sweden to Iraq.

But sugar isn't the only ingredient in soft drinks that causes tooth problems. The acids in soda pop are also notorious for etching tooth enamel in ways that can lead to cavities. "Acid begins to dissolve tooth enamel in only 20 minutes," notes the Ohio Dental Association in a release issued earlier this month.

Caffeine Dependence

The stimulant properties and dependence potential of caffeine in soda are well documented, as are their effects on children.

Ever tried going without your usual cup of java on the weekend? If so, you may have experienced a splitting headache, a slight rise in blood pressure, irritability and maybe even some stomach problems.

These well-documented symptoms describe the typical withdrawal process suffered by about half of regular caffeine consumers who go without their usual dose.

The soft drink industry agrees that caffeine causes the same effects in children as adults, but officials also note that there is wide variation in how people respond to caffeine. The simple solution, the industry says, is to choose a soda pop that is caffeine-free. All big soda makers offer products with either low or no caffeine.

That may be a good idea, though it raises the question of whether soda machines in schools should be permitted to offer caffeinated beverages or at least be obligated to offer a significant proportion of caffeine-free products.

It also raises the question of how one determines a product's caffeine content. Nutrition labels are not required to divulge that information. If a beverage contains caffeine, it must be included in the ingredient list, but there's no way to tell how much a beverage has, and there's little logic or predictability to the way caffeine is deployed throughout a product line.

Okay, so most enlightened consumers already know that colas contain a fair amount of caffeine. It turns out to be 35 to 38 milligrams per 12-ounce can, or roughly 28 percent of the amount found in an 8-ounce cup of coffee. But few know that diet colas -- usually chosen by those who are trying to dodge calories and/or sugar -- often pack a lot more caffeine.

A 12-ounce can of Diet Coke, for example, has about 42 milligrams of caffeine -- seven more than the same amount of Coke Classic. A can of Pepsi One has about 56 milligrams of caffeine -- 18 milligrams more than both regular Pepsi and Diet Pepsi.

Even harder to figure out is the caffeine distribution in other flavors of soda pop. Many brands of root beer contain no caffeine. An exception is Barq's, made by the Coca-Cola Co., which has has 23 milligrams per 12-ounce can. Sprite, 7-Up and ginger ale are caffeine-free. But Mountain Dew, the curiously named Mello Yellow, Sun Drop Regular, Jolt and diet as well as regular Sunkist orange soda all pack caffeine.

Caffeine occurs naturally in kola nuts, an ingredient of cola soft drinks. But why is this drug, which is known to create physical dependence, added to other soft drinks?

The industry line is that small amounts are added for taste, not for the drug's power to sustain demand for the products that contain it. Caffeine's bitter taste, they say, enhances other flavors. "It has been a part of almost every cola -- and pepper-type beverage -- since they were first formulated more than 100 years ago," according to the National Soft Drink Association.

But recent blind taste tests conducted by Roland Griffiths at Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore found that only 8 percent of regular soft drink consumers could identify the difference between regular and caffeine-free soft drinks.

The study included only subjects who reported that they drank soft drinks mainly for their caffeine content. In other words, more than 90 percent of the self-diagnosed caffeine cravers in this small sample could not detect the presence of caffeine.

That's why the great popularity of caffeinated soft drinks is driven not so much by subtle taste effects as by the mood-altering and physical dependence of caffeine that drives the daily self-administration.

And the unknown could be especially troublesome for the developing brains of children and adolescents. Logic dictates that when you are dependent on a drug, you are really upsetting the normal balances of neurochemistry in the brain. The fact that kids have withdrawal signs and symptoms when the caffeine is stopped is a good indication that something has been profoundly disturbed in the brain.

Exactly where that leads is anybody's guess -- which is to say there is little good research on the effects of caffeine on kids' developing brains.

Bone Weakening

Animal studies demonstrate that phosphorus, a common ingredient in soda, can deplete bones of calcium.

And two recent human studies suggest that girls who drink more soda are more prone to broken bones. The industry denies that soda plays a role in bone weakening.

Animal studies -- mostly involving rats -- point to clear and consistent bone loss with the use of cola beverages. But as scientists like to point out, humans and rats are not exactly the same.

Even so, there's been concern among the research community, public health officials and government agencies over the high phosphorus content in the US diet. Phosphorus -- which occurs naturally in some foods and is used as an additive in many others -- appears to weaken bones by promoting the loss of calcium. With less calcium available, the bones become more porous and prone to fracture.

The soft drink industry argues that the phosphoric acid in soda pop contributes only about 2 percent of the phosphorus in the typical US diet, with a 12-ounce can of soda pop averaging about 30 milligrams.

There's growing concern that even a few cans of soda today can be damaging when they are consumed during the peak bone-building years of childhood and adolescence. A 1996 study published in the Journal of Nutrition by the FDA's Office of Special Nutritionals noted that a pattern of high phosphorus/low calcium consumption, common in the American diet, is not conducive to optimizing peak bone mass in young women.

A 1994 Harvard study of bone fractures in teenage athletes found a strong association between cola beverage consumption and bone fractures in 14-year-old girls. The girls who drank cola were about five times more likely to suffer bone fractures than girls who didn't consume soda pop.

Besides, to many researchers, the combination of rising obesity and bone weakening has the potential to synergistically undermine future health. Adolescents and kids don't think long-term. But what happens when these soft-drinking people become young or middle-aged adults and they have osteoporosis, sedentary living and obesity?

By that time, switching to water, milk or fruit juice may be too little, too late.

Washington Post February 27, 2001; Page HE10


Dr. Mercola's Comment:

I suspect many readers are not surprised by the following statistics, but as a person who has not had any soda for many years I just about fell off my chair with these numbers.

These popular beverages account for more than a quarter of all drinks consumed in the United States.

More than 15 billion gallons were sold in 2000.

That works out to at least one 12-ounce can per day for every man, woman and child.
If you are still drinking soda this is something that is quite simple to stop. In my mind there is absolutely no justification to drink soda. Both sugar and Nutrasweet™ are deadly to your health and will gradually rob you of it. So stick to pure water, one quart for every 50 pounds of body weight.
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I drink soda every once in awhile. Not diet soda - that's nasty. Real soda. It's like heaven in a glass.

This and some other bad habits I indulge in every once in awhile are most likely why I haven't reached my goal yet. SO I wouldn't recommend anyone start acting like me anytime soon.

My therapist and I have a plan for me - from reading most of these posts it appears I had this surgery for different reasons then most of you - and I'm okay with my choices.

However, I strongly encourage everyone to follow their surgeon's guidelines.
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That whole study is scary as hell!

I need to quit drinking diet soda, but it's just so hard. I can't deal with the headaches and I don't want them to interfere with my work.
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My Dr. says no soda ever due to the acid content usually in soda, he says that early on the carbonation causes irritation to the little pouch and that it can react with foods you have eaten or possibly an antacid and expand causing injury to the pouch. But I won't lie, I cheated and had some diet pepsi one day (I drank a 6 pak daily before WLS) and it tasted ka ka.
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