New Procedure for those who've gained - Page 2 - ThinnerTimes

bridgetgirl · 03-05-2008, 10:09 AM

Joohhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnn..................

I couldnt agree with you more. I think you should only be allowed one surgery, if you sabotage it because of poor choices, then shame on you and get your act together! No amount of surgery will be helpful in the long run.

You said it, if people STOPPED eating in their cars, at their desks, (I wonder who is snacking and grazing while reading this right now!) STOP eating in front of the TV, in bed where ever. STOP eating without palnning your meals, and drink WATER! You have the tool already, the habits need to be redirected!
I think if somewhere the pouch failed, errupted sutures, hernias, whatever can occur, I can understand a "quickie" to "fixie". Otherwise, people need to accept responsibility for their poor choices. I dont feel sorry for any of them.

I know I sound like an a-hole, if your upset reading this, take a big breath before you type, and think... is what she saying anything I am doing. You more than likely are. Get back to basics. Plan the meals, weigh your portions, eat at the table, and drink water and you will lose again!

I gained 15 pounds a couple of years ago, a self analysis revealed what I was doing was bad stuff!

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Originally Posted by porshh951

jesus. Honestly this isn't the answer people are looking for. I realize this new procedure will be huge and will have lots of people lining up to get a another surgery done on their stomach but, it pains me so to hear it.

People need to be spending time/money/energy into learning new eating habits and workout habits. Learning discipline with their eating addictions and working on their emotional/psycological reasons for having those addictions in the first place.

Not going to the surgeon again and saying "patch me up"

Gladitsme · 03-05-2008, 08:01 PM

Bridget, you're right, not an a**hole. Sometimes the truth hurts. When I first saw this, I went, "aha", but the truth is, if I would quit sabotaging myself, I'd lose the weight.
BTW, thanks so much for your help in January! My friend's daughter had her surgery that Friday and is doing fabulous! You're the best!!!!!

porshh951 · 03-06-2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bridgetgirl

Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike,

names john btw

paige52 · 03-06-2008, 07:59 AM

now this is refreshing.... Someone speakng their mind without the sarcasm and hurtful words!

Bridget/John, I completely agree with you. Well said both of you.

"if" i have this procedure it will be to close an extremely oversized stoma and initially cause me to lose yet more weight. I've been able to put on around 6 pounds since Nov in prep for this....

Hopefully it will be the end of my problems.... hopefully

AusLaurie · 03-06-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by porshh951

jesus. Honestly this isn't the answer people are looking for. I realize this new procedure will be huge and will have lots of people lining up to get a another surgery done on their stomach but, it pains me so to hear it.

People need to be spending time/money/energy into learning new eating habits and workout habits. Learning discipline with their eating addictions and working on their emotional/psycological reasons for having those addictions in the first place.

Not going to the surgeon again and saying "patch me up"

How many people have said the same thing about us and our bypass surgery?

"Just quit over eating, eat the right things and excercise etc!"

I found that so hurtful to be told that constantly from the age of 8 years old.

I think Marty has an excellent point that we can keep sabataging ourselves by snacking etc and that the new surgery could very possibly end up with the same issues (or perhaps end up giving us huge side effects that we may not have had from the 1st surgery)

I think each of us does the best we can and it is too easy to judge those who make choices we wouldn't make.

Laurie

porshh951 · 03-06-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AusLaurie

How many people have said the same thing about us and our bypass surgery?

"Just quit over eating, eat the right things and excercise etc!"

I found that so hurtful to be told that constantly from the age of 8 years old.

I think Marty has an excellent point that we can keep sabataging ourselves by snacking etc and that the new surgery could very possibly end up with the same issues (or perhaps end up giving us huge side effects that we may not have had from the 1st surgery)

I think each of us does the best we can and it is too easy to judge those who make choices we wouldn't make.

Laurie

Sorry I'm going to have to disagree with you there. We aren't talking about the general public or even anyone who is pre-op. This is a surgery for people who have ALREADY had the surgery. I cannot agree that this is the fix. The problem is there is no magic pill, just like there is no magic surgery.

People get GBS without doing much research thinking the surgery alone will fix their problems and make them loose weight and keep it off forever. While the surgery does give you a huge advantage and headstart on this process it doesn't do the work for you. Ask anyone over a year post op and they will tell you the exact same thing.

So the "fix" isn't another surgery ontop of the one you've already had(since we are afterall talking strickly post op GBS patients here). The fix is to use the tool that you where given when you had the first surgery.

I mean think about it. Weren't our means very very drastic? I know for me they where. I allowed myself to be cut open and my insides to be messed around with just to help me get controll of this serious addiction and problem I had with food. To go to such extreme's is nessesary in alot of our cases. Hech I was 450lbs....thats just not okay.

But, if you are struggling post op(btw im not talking about post oppers with serious medical issues and sideeffects from the first surgery, im talking about people who just are having a hard time keeping the weight off) from GBS the fix isn't another surgery ontop of the other one you've already had.

Maybe some GBS patients where under the impression if you had GBS sugery you didn't have to work and it wasn't going to be a pain in the ass to loose the weight and keep it off? Maybe some GBS patients thought it was going to be easy when they are way out post op and can now eat alot of the foods they so struggled with in the begining. Regardless guess what? This surgery isn't any different than the last one. Its not a miracle fix, its not going to get you to goal and keep you there. Thats solely up to you and you alone.

There is no magic pill, and their damn sure aint no magic surgery. This surgery aint the fix for post GBS patients making bad choices with their eating and workout habits. A lifestyle change however is.

I'm sorry you disagree with me.

paige52 · 03-06-2008, 03:12 PM

every commercial is some 10+ hottie walking on the beach, people having "fun" in the great outdoors...

I see very commericals with a paitent struggling to get their 64 oz of clear fuilds down the day after surgery...no pictures of poeple with a line up of vitamins and supplements they take forever.... no pictures of picc lines, G-tubes, their head in the toilet bowl... yakiing up yet another meal..... definately dont' see many commercials of women looking at the huge hairball at the bottom of the shower and crying..... oh wait maybe that was just me!

Doctors sell this thing like it's the best miracle since penicillin. What are people supposed to think?

I know its not PC to say this surgery is a quick fix but lets face facts here...it's just that, unless people change thier lives and attitudes about food emotion and addiction and how they all fit together. I've yet to meet a person still skinny 8 years after this procedure that didnt make drastic long term changes to their lifestyle... food and excersize.

Our demons stay with us folks... it's the one part no one can cut away. These same demons are what helped to make us fat in the first place.

Spoken by the former fat person who had surgery and still views this surgery as a quick fix because I didn't have the willpower/strength...whatever you want to call it... to stop stuffing my face and emotions and learn to deal with them instead!

I don't alwasy agree with John or his delivery but I can get 100% behidn him on this one!

porshh951 · 03-06-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by paige52

Spoken by the former fat person who had surgery and still views this surgery as a quick fix because I didn't have the willpower/strength...whatever you want to call it... to stop stuffing my face and emotions and learn to deal with them instead!

I completely identify with this statement 100% and completely agree. Because its the truth. People don't like hearing the truth from anyone let alone some person on the net. Regardless the reason I had the surgery in the first place was because I couldn't deal with my shit and the only reason im so much better at it now after the fact is because I made a serious effort to deal with all of it. My entire lifestyle is different now not because of the surgery but, because I delt with the crap that made me a fatass in the first place. The surgery still saved my life though. Had I of not gone through that ER and sat there talking to myself in that hospital bed who knows if I would have ever had the determination to stick to it like I did. I'd never regret going through it. But, only someone lying to themselves would think any differently about them being 200lbs overweight. I still hear people making excuses for themselves everyday. The truth is its probably much more dark and tough to deal with. Nothing said from someone dealing with a serious addiction can be taken at face value. Alot of times they don't even know what got them fat.

99% of its emotional. It was for me.

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Originally Posted by paige52

I don't alwasy agree with John or his delivery but I can get 100% behidn him on this one!

thankyou. I always speak the truth its just most of the time people would rather not hear it. I'm learning to just not say anything. Better to not say anything than to say the truth and hurt someone's feelings, or worse yet have to lie to them.

I refuse to lie, so most days now I just simply don't reply.

MiladyB · 03-06-2008, 07:44 PM

Well this is my 2 cents.

My surgeon is one who has done two different procedures, one for the past several years, on patients whose anastamosis have stretched out. Personally I am really glad that option is there if needed in the future.

Yes, self sabotaging is one of the reasons the stretching can happen but it isn't the only reason. Often it is the way people heal, how tight their surgeon makes that connection to begin with and sometimes it can stretch over time just from use. Though I do agree with John and the others, I hope people aren't looked down upon and labeled because they need to go through a procedure like this to get them back on track. People are human. We all made bad choices before wls. That's how we became MO in the first place. I don't intend on falling back into old habits but guess what, sometimes I do. I've been able to catch myself and get back on track. That is something I will intend on working on for the rest of my life but who knows maybe one day that connection will stretch and I will find myself fighting a losing battle to keep the weight off and it might start creeping back on, all I can say is I'm glad there is something that can help me.

No it can't be looked upon as a "quick fix"...something that gives you an excuse to go crazy eating and doing whatever you please, going on with your life as before. We do have to change our lives and how we look at food, exercise, etc. We have to make those changes for a lifetime, but I do know several people who have had this procedure, who were fighting daily to not gain, who had the right mindset but were struggling because their tool wasn't working as effectively as it did when they first got it. They were doing all they were supposed to but they were losing the battle. For them this procedure has been an answer to prayer.

Within my surgeon's office before they will even consider doing this type of procedure they want to find out "WHY" you are having the problems you are having. They require appointments with the surgeon, nutritionist, exercise therapist and behaviorist. The last thing that want is a person who is pretty much self sabotaging to go through this procedure because like many of you said, unless you change yourself inside this too will fail. They will work with them first to help them get back on track. IF they find that the person is following the rules, is working to stay on track, if their head is in the right place and they continue to have problems because that connection is too big they will go ahead and do the procedure.

I know I'm not going to be the one to cast the first stone here. I just think there are 2 sides to this whole thing.

AusLaurie · 03-06-2008, 11:38 PM

You wrote what I was trying to write only MUCH MUCH better

Thank you
Laurie