Sorry but you've gotten fatter, no surgery for you - Page 3 - ThinnerTimes

katzz87 · 03-07-2008, 12:07 PM

Sticking my neck out here. If I were asked to lose weight prior to surgery I'd have been crap out of luck...and the surgery would not have happened.

Prior to deciding upon weight loss surgery I tried REALLY, REALLY hard to lose weight on my own. I went to the gym 6 days a week (6 1/2 hours a week working out HARD!), logging what I ate (truthfully!), for 6 full weeks...and I lost only 4 lbs!!

So you really need to take into account a persons medical issues before lam-blasting someone. JMHO! I have had PCOS, endometriosis, total hysterectomy, taking medications for HBP, high cholesterol, hormones due to early hysterectomy, dieretic for PCOS and HBP, among other "issues" that would NOT allow me to lose any weight...and NOT because I wasn't "willing to accept a new life-style".

That said, pgh3rivers...do your VERY, VERY, utmost best to stick with the program! Good luck to you...you'll get there!

Cathy

Amandazon247 · 03-07-2008, 12:16 PM

I wasnt required to lose any weight either...... now I will have to do the liquid diet before surgery... it may just be an insurance requirement....

VTMoondog · 03-07-2008, 12:23 PM

actually, the liquid diet is to shrink your liver for better access to your stomach. I just did a 3 day liquid diet trial, before my 10 day pre-op liquid diet......not too bad if you keep up with protein shakes and soups.

janine · 03-07-2008, 01:24 PM

I have to say I agree with Zen.
I had to have a 3 month diet plan before approval they did not specify how much weight I had to loose. I had to write everything down and found out that I was seriously addicted to cokes and fast food. The dietician helped me find out what it was that I was doing and gradually I stoped drinking cokes all together and cut bread out of my diet. I ended up loosing 33 lbs. It was hard, yes! but I got through it by telling myself it was the last diet I was ever going to be on. If I was hungry between the 5 meal plan I was told to drink a protien shake. It worked for me... I was sick of shakes but it worked. Now I'm so proud that I did that. At the time I didn't really understand the reasoning behind it. I just kept saying, "this is the last diet" over and over. It's all too funny now because actually, I'm on a diet for life now. lol!

jerseygrl684 · 03-07-2008, 01:27 PM

at least you lost the weight katz. im sorry but it is veryyyyyyy hard to hear that ppl are GAINING 15 lbs on a pre-op diet. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.

I'm not going to sugarcoat and be like 'ohhh its okay' or 'omg ur surgeon is soooo mean' because it is NOT okay and you surgeon knows more than we all do combined. Maybe there is something further going on that you and your doctor need to discuss.. but at 27, with no KNOWN medical history... theres no excuse for a 15 lbs GAIN...

.. i wish her/him the best of luck in this journey, but you have to give a lil to get a lil... i cant imagine when they hit a plateau and they have to really WORK AT IT.. to lose 5 more lbs, what they will do...

fisher1000 · 03-07-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jerseygrl684

I'm not going to sugarcoat and be like 'ohhh its okay' or 'omg ur surgeon is soooo mean' because it is NOT okay and you surgeon knows more than we all do combined. Maybe there is something further going on that you and your doctor need to discuss.. but at 27, with no KNOWN medical history... theres no excuse for a 15 lbs GAIN...

Blunt and honest is okay. I think honesty is what people come here seeking, as well as support and understanding. The thing we need to be careful of is the tone in which things are said. Since we are online, it's very difficult to gauge someone's tone and still receive what's said in the spirit in which it was offered. Sometimes on Thinner Times responses, the tone comes across as judgmental, when it may not have been meant to be that way.

When someone asks for help and understanding, I think it's fair to be honest, but I also think it's fair to be kind with our words and know that there are many compassionate ways to say things and still be honest and blunt. We are all here for the same reasons and we are all here because we need something beyond the surgery experience. That thing we need is camaraderie, and knowing that others have been there, and knowing how they dealt with the situations that arise.

Many of us are on the loser's bench, but we were once where the pre-oppers are now. While I agree that things should not be sugarcoated when we relate our own experiences, a little empathy and consideration go a long way.

-Mike

Claire-in-Texas · 03-07-2008, 02:27 PM

I agree with both Mike and Kelly (JerseyGirl).

My own opinion is that gaining 15 lbs. on a pre-op diet program is a red flag.

I'm not sure what the red flag represents, but it is just not good preparation for what lies ahead. I think it is a time for adjustment and reflection, and in doing so, and anticipating life after wls, it's just a good idea to totally prepare oneself, physically and mentally.

I would never want to hurt anyone in my tone, and I don't think most of us do. We do, however, feel a passion about this subject. And THAT is what can sometimes sound judgmental.

bridgetgirl · 03-07-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VTMoondog

actually, the liquid diet is to shrink your liver for better access to your stomach. I just did a 3 day liquid diet trial, before my 10 day pre-op liquid diet......not too bad if you keep up with protein shakes and soups.

This is exactly why surgeons may ask you to lose weight prior to surgery. Dr Callery told me to gain nothing, I gained 10 and I was terrified that I would be cancelled. Luckily, they didnt. Like Cindy I was grubbing! Except for the last week, I ate clear fluids and soft proteins, the thought of a JP tube scared the beejeezus outta me! Anywho, if they want you to lose weight it is for health/surgical reasons which is a detriment to your health while on the operating table. Its not a measure of your will power as it has been suggested here. However, now that you know what we know and what are experiences and thoughts of minds were preoperatively-many of us did exactly what you did, but no one told us "no surgery." 10 pounds, if you work hard enough you could lose that in a week! They do it on biggest loser all the time. Watch reruns on the internet to inspire you if you must, but YOU CAN DO IT! Anything worth having is worth fighting for! Make a commitment to start today, and make an appointment for 2 weeks with your surgeon to show him your progress! 2 weeks+ 10 pound loss= no problem! Go get em!

katzz87 · 03-07-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Claire-in-Texas

I would never want to hurt anyone in my tone.

Claire, you could NEVER hurt anyone intentually...that I'd swear by!

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Originally Posted by fisher1000

Blunt and honest is okay....While I agree that things should not be sugarcoated when we relate our own experiences, a little empathy and consideration go a long way.

-Mike

Totally agree with Mike's post. I absolutely have no problem with honesty and not surgar-coating the truth...but it's just that I've noticed a "trend" of sorts about reply posts that I don't agree with. But then....that's MY problem!

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Originally Posted by jerseygrl684

at least you lost the weight katz. im sorry but it is veryyyyyyy hard to hear that ppl are GAINING 15 lbs on a pre-op diet. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.

I'm not going to sugarcoat and be like 'ohhh its okay' or 'omg ur surgeon is soooo mean' because it is NOT okay and you surgeon knows more than we all do combined. Maybe there is something further going on that you and your doctor need to discuss.. but at 27, with no KNOWN medical history... theres no excuse for a 15 lbs GAIN...

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I think the original poster KNEW that the 15 lbs gain wasn't smart. And was just kind of freaking out! All I can say is that we all have our demons to face....and they are not based on age.

katzz87 · 03-07-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Claire-in-Texas

I would never want to hurt anyone in my tone.

Claire, you could NEVER hurt anyone intentually...that I'd swear by!

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Originally Posted by fisher1000

Blunt and honest is okay....While I agree that things should not be sugarcoated when we relate our own experiences, a little empathy and consideration go a long way.

-Mike

Totally agree with Mike's post. I absolutely have no problem with honesty and not surgar-coating the truth...but it's just that I've noticed a "trend" of sorts about reply posts that I don't agree with. But then....that's MY problem!

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Originally Posted by jerseygrl684

at least you lost the weight katz. im sorry but it is veryyyyyyy hard to hear that ppl are GAINING 15 lbs on a pre-op diet. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.

I'm not going to sugarcoat and be like 'ohhh its okay' or 'omg ur surgeon is soooo mean' because it is NOT okay and you surgeon knows more than we all do combined. Maybe there is something further going on that you and your doctor need to discuss.. but at 27, with no KNOWN medical history... theres no excuse for a 15 lbs GAIN...

...

I think the original poster KNEW that the 15 lbs gain wasn't smart. And was just kind of freaking out! All I can say is that we all have our demons to face....and they are not based on age.