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Baja Big Dog · 07-08-2008, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenixfire

Whoa, man, talk about a great thread to open now that I finally finished replying to a PM that was the exact opposite of the kind words of Julie, Dog and Tsunami! Funny analogy, the PM basically said I was full of poop.

Guess I should have just written "Metamucil" in response and left it at that?

Thanks guys...reading your words was a MUCH needed BIG HUG after a lonely/separating day. One of those days you'll never ever forget.

It feels good to hear that my way of thinking and writing what I think are appreciated and help others, and that I do gots a lil' bit of wisdom in this here head of mine.

Thank you

(Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of Big Dog's intake and output. Are you enjoying your "manly pleasure of the day" regularly now?)

Smooth as silk!!!!

Josephine · 07-08-2008, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenixfire

Whoa, man, talk about a great thread to open now that I finally finished replying to a PM that was the exact opposite of the kind words of Julie, Dog and Tsunami! Funny analogy, the PM basically said I was full of poop.

Guess I should have just written "Metamucil" in response and left it at that?

Thanks guys...reading your words was a MUCH needed BIG HUG after a lonely/separating day. One of those days you'll never ever forget.

It feels good to hear that my way of thinking and writing what I think are appreciated and help others, and that I do gots a lil' bit of wisdom in this here head of mine.

Thank you

(Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of Big Dog's intake and output. Are you enjoying your "manly pleasure of the day" regularly now?)

I try to be diplomatic so as to not step on too many toes, but that's because I'm a people pleaser. Still it needs to be said that for people who don't deal with chronic pain, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and Fire REALLY does. I have to admit that before my issues started, I was clueless about chronic pain and I treated my own father like he was just a pill popper. Just a few months later, I had the reality slapped into me, when that angel of a man decided that being in pain himself was better than seeing me in pain and passed me a couple of his oxys. It only took one pill to convince me that I was suffering needlessly with all that pain from my fibromyalgia and that it is a great tool of any pain management regimine. Chronic pain patients are NOT pill poppers who do it for fun or to get high. The truth is, our bodies are so tolerant to the drugs, most of us don't get high off them, they just slightly take the edge off the pain.

The other issue is with people not liking how Fire tells it like it is with regards to doing the mental work that's required after your surgery. Just my opinion but NO ONE here is obese because they like food. That's a copout. Overweight cause you like food, sure. MO cause you like food? No way. If you don't do the headwork to figure out why you became MO in the first place, you can never overcome your demons. Figuring out WHY you became obese is HARD, but it's only 1% of the puzzle. You still have to tackle how to overcome the issue that made you cover yourself up so deep to begin with. It's just my opinion, so no one has to listen to it, but I think that Fire is right on with just about everything she's saying.

If you're not thinking about what got you there to begin with, if you're not discussing it, picking it apart, or talking to someone about it all as you lose the weight, you're doing yourself a grave disservice. Again, just my opinion.

Sometimes her words are strong, but if you're thinking "Ouch that hurt, but she's right on with it and it needed to be said." then you're on the right path of self discovery. If you're thinking "What a bitch. She has no right to..." then you might want to seriously think about why the things she says is offending you so much.

Now, can someone help me off this soapbox? I'm scared of heights.

Marella · 07-08-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Josephine

If you're not thinking about what got you there to begin with, if you're not discussing it, picking it apart, or talking to someone about it all as you lose the weight, you're doing yourself a grave disservice. Again, just my opinion.

I agree with your opinion. It was more than food that got me to this position and I have done a lot of self-discovery over the last few years. And of course, self-pity was the biggest weight gainer.

So for me, I'm tired of self-pity. I have to learn to recognize when I'm in that state and do something immediately to get out of it... and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, blame someone else for my own solo pity party.

That being said, as I gained and gained, self-pity increased and increased because I could do less and less. Fibromyalgia took over completely because I submitted to it. What a wallflower!

That being said, I took the bull by the horns (finally!) and decided that self-pity will only win if I don't lose. I took control of my pain management in a daily routine and looked forward to the surgery that would change my life. Meanwhile I did whatever I could to not be sedentary.

Yep, that self-pity monster still seems to be there every now and again, but at least I know that I and I alone have the power to banish. And when the body pain gets to me, I've just been pushing it aside and persisting with it - staying in bed is not an option. In order for me to have a good life, sometimes there are things that I just have to live with, but I will endeavor to change those things that I have the power to change. I want to WIN.

Just a note on pain meds: I've been on Oxycontin for about 2 weeks now for my hernia pain. Wow, that's strong stuff. I take only at night so that I can sleep otherwise the pain wakes me constantly. My first night I was so dizzy and nauseous for the entire night and the next day. The second night I took half a pill, as well as the next three nights and the Oxy halfves did their job. Suddenly, that half a pill didn't do what it was doing. I took a whole Oxy. After 4 days of use, that dizziness and nausea vanished. Yep, I got used to the pill, and so did my body. I'm terrified of narcotics, even legal ones. Last night I slept w/o an Oxy, just to try it. I slept 6 hours instead of 10, but I slept. Now I'm going to see of the pain level is as high as it was before I started with these meds.

As for not eating on narcotics... yep, my appetite has been cut drastically, but my weight loss is still nominal. I have to force myself to eat.

Josephine · 07-08-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Marella

Just a note on pain meds: I've been on Oxycontin for about 2 weeks now for my hernia pain. Wow, that's strong stuff. I take only at night so that I can sleep otherwise the pain wakes me constantly. My first night I was so dizzy and nauseous for the entire night and the next day. The second night I took half a pill, as well as the next three nights and the Oxy halfves did their job. Suddenly, that half a pill didn't do what it was doing. I took a whole Oxy. After 4 days of use, that dizziness and nausea vanished. Yep, I got used to the pill, and so did my body. I'm terrified of narcotics, even legal ones. Last night I slept w/o an Oxy, just to try it. I slept 6 hours instead of 10, but I slept. Now I'm going to see of the pain level is as high as it was before I started with these meds.

As for not eating on narcotics... yep, my appetite has been cut drastically, but my weight loss is still nominal. I have to force myself to eat.

That's the beast of oxycontin. Your body gets used to it and you need more and more for it to have any affect. I've been taking it since October 2006 now, and it's definitely not my idea of a fun time, but neither is the overwhelming fibromyalgia pain that causes me to start having panic attacks. I go back and forth with upping my dose and then all the way back down, detoxing for a week, I'm reminded of the non medicated pain, and go back to oxy. Going in a circle this way is the only way I know how to control it, because I refuse to just keep going up to a couple hundred mgs a day. 80mg a day is as high as I've gone, and I don't wanna get like that again. I hover around 10-30mg a day now, 1-2 hrs of exercise, 64 ozs water, and 800-1000 cals and I have pain most of my waking hours.. but nothing like the pain I have with no oxy at all. It never gets me high or removes the pain completely like it did in the beginning, but it gives me a couple hours of manageable pain so I can get my exercise done.

To be specific, I dropped the oxycontin and take oxynorm (same thing but all at once instead of spread out) so I can specifically have 2 hours a day where I can get stuff done. My morning breakfast and workout and my evening dinner and walk. It's all the time in between that I sit here trying not to cry. Gotta keep pushing and never give up.

Edit: Is your fibro targetted to a couple spots or all over? Mine started in my legs and now it's my whole body. All 18 pressure points. Some days I get "lucky" and the pressure points in my arms and neck give me a rest.

Sue0609 · 07-08-2008, 09:46 AM

"My meds consist of about 8 vicodin a day and thats it, no more blood pressure pills, nothing!"

I defense of the poster who questioned the 8 Vicodin a day, the OP initially didn't say WHY he is on the 8 Vicodin, so the poster probably assumed it was for post-op pain, or perhaps an addiction issue.

tsunami27 · 07-08-2008, 10:00 AM

Yeah, maybe...but we all know what happens when you assume, right? You make an ASS out of U and ME!! he he he

JumboJulie · 07-08-2008, 12:09 PM

PHOENIXFIRE ...

It would be a sad day around here for many of us if you had just posted "Metamucil" and left it at that ...

Please never stop being yourself by telling us what we all really need to hear ... even though some people refuse to listen. There are plenty of us here on this forum with our ears tuned in to your words of wisdom.

Thank you for being our "Rock"

Marella · 07-08-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Josephine

Edit: Is your fibro targetted to a couple spots or all over? Mine started in my legs and now it's my whole body. All 18 pressure points. Some days I get "lucky" and the pressure points in my arms and neck give me a rest.

My fibro started also in my legs. I researched 'restless leg syndrome' a long time ago and thought it was that because my legs just wouldn't quiet down.

I first began noticing symptoms about 18 years ago, but it didn't mean anything until they escalated after I had my child and a C-section. Research told me that the trauma of the birth and my son's touchy first few days may have been what triggered my body pain. (I thought it was that I gave birth weighing 277). The pain really went wonky when my son was around 3. (I also thought it was because I maintained 250 pounds running around after a toddler). I was diagnosed officially about 2 years later.... ALL 18 pressure points. The worst is my neck and my legs. I've managed it with Tylenol, Ibuprofen, Aleve, and Celebrex in rotation, so as not to go crazy with Rx's I couldn't afford. I've also done heat management -- lot's of heat management. Hot towels, compresses, moist electric heat. It's temporary but helped.

OXY. Today is my first day without an Oxy in the night. I wish I wrote a journal to describe my pain for the last few days. I did so much (I'm house moving) and today my pain is soooo bad, I don't know where the aches are normal and where they are Fibro. My entire body, right down to my fingertips is twitching with mild pain. My back, shins and my neck are on fire.

If I can't get through this day with all that I had planned, I'll know that it's the Oxy that gave me my last week. (I built three walk-in closets, one coat closet, and put together 4 pieces of furniture - with one left to go. I also washed all the floors, did 10 loads of laundry, cleaned the new kitchen from top to bottom and inside, and vacuumed 6 rooms. Today I'm doing shelf-liners, lots of them. I consider it my day of rest since I'll be sitting and cutting half the time.) I'm pooped!

Josephine · 07-08-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marella

My fibro started also in my legs. I researched 'restless leg syndrome' a long time ago and thought it was that because my legs just wouldn't quiet down.

I first began noticing symptoms about 18 years ago, but it didn't mean anything until they escalated after I had my child and a C-section. Research told me that the trauma of the birth and my son's touchy first few days may have been what triggered my body pain. (I thought it was that I gave birth weighing 277). The pain really went wonky when my son was around 3. (I also thought it was because I maintained 250 pounds running around after a toddler). I was diagnosed officially about 2 years later.... ALL 18 pressure points. The worst is my neck and my legs. I've managed it with Tylenol, Ibuprofen, Aleve, and Celebrex in rotation, so as not to go crazy with Rx's I couldn't afford. I've also done heat management -- lot's of heat management. Hot towels, compresses, moist electric heat. It's temporary but helped.

OXY. Today is my first day without an Oxy in the night. I wish I wrote a journal to describe my pain for the last few days. I did so much (I'm house moving) and today my pain is soooo bad, I don't know where the aches are normal and where they are Fibro. My entire body, right down to my fingertips is twitching with mild pain. My back, shins and my neck are on fire.

If I can't get through this day with all that I had planned, I'll know that it's the Oxy that gave me my last week. (I built three walk-in closets, one coat closet, and put together 4 pieces of furniture - with one left to go. I also washed all the floors, did 10 loads of laundry, cleaned the new kitchen from top to bottom and inside, and vacuumed 6 rooms. Today I'm doing shelf-liners, lots of them. I consider it my day of rest since I'll be sitting and cutting half the time.) I'm pooped!

Girl we are like twins. *lol* They, and I both, thought I had RLS for the longest. All the pain you describe is exactly what I live with constantly, and it's just unbearable. Totally off oxy, the pain in my legs is not tolerable. I cry, I stretch, I have panic attacks, I walk the floors, don't sleep, end up in the ER. It's insane. With the oxy, the pain in my legs is GREATLY reduced but my arms, lower back, and neck hurt a lot and the burning of my upper back, wow. I have it at least 5 times a week and take anti inflammatory meds by the handfulls (big reason I'm leaning toward the switch instead of GBS). I dunno. I've been told that the weightloss surgery won't have any effect on the fibromyalgia, so sometimes I think "well what's the point then?"... I just wish there was something more they could do for us.

Sounds like childbirth triggered your full blown fibro. Mine was triggered by the lap band surgery, depression of no aftercare, getting my masters and having to go back to america, breaking up with my boyfriend, new house, new job, and the 'RLS' got worse and worse til the dr sent me to a neurologist and he figured it out.

The cleaning is funny. The oxy does that at first. My first 2 months on oxy, I lost 45 lbs from walking back and forth to work everyday 3 miles. *grin* But you'll get used to it and it won't do it anymore. The oxy honeymoon lasts about 3 months. If it lasted forever, I would still be at my dream job and wouldn't know how to spell fibromyalgia.

But I'm not gonna cry....

Godsblessedme · 07-08-2008, 04:21 PM

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If your doctor prescribes it, then you should be taking it. Period. Deborah, who are you to say that he should not be taking pain management medication?!

first of all "fire" i didnt say that he shouldnt be taking pain mgmt meds! i was just looking at the # and thinking yeah thats alot, Of course as he says a high pain threshold okay.
And as far as you thinking i havnt been "there" i have so i do know what i'm speaking about thats why i said "wow 8"

and for the record I hope that you werent referring to MY PM to you because i never said anything of the sort.

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I finally finished replying to a PM that was the exact opposite of the kind words of Julie, Dog and Tsunami! Funny analogy, the PM basically said I was full of poop.

Baja, sorry about your ankle that sounds so painful and hope it improves