one syas good the other says bad... - ThinnerTimes

paige52 · 08-30-2007, 08:28 AM

So many conflicting reports out there on the benefits of WLS. The swedish report says it's all good and then there's conflicting rebuttal to the report.

HOnestly how do we know when news is "correct", you can manipulate data to your advantage....

Sigh so confusing.....

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...bariatric.html

lealphachienne · 08-30-2007, 11:36 AM

What I learned in Statistics is that any set of numbers can mean whatever the researcher want it to mean. You can use the exact same data to support a thoery or tear it down.

ladytonya · 08-30-2007, 12:13 PM

What Marie said. A statistician can turn research around to say basically whatever he or she wants it to say. That said, you also have to look at the source. The Society for Bariatric Surgery is going to say WLS is good, NAAFA is going to say it is bad. Personally, I ignored all those types of research and did my own. I talked to a LOT of people and heard both the good and the bad. I spoke with patients of many different doctors both in person and online. I made my decision based on my own research, not anyone else's. I think this board is the perfect example, there are tons of people who have had great outcomes and many who have had not so great outcomes and complications. It's the risk we take with this surgery and as long as you are as educated as you can possibly be, you know that you are making the right decision for yourself. Good luck!

Jeri · 08-30-2007, 01:59 PM

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paige52 · 08-30-2007, 02:51 PM

I could not disagree with you more. There's a lot of bad to outweigh.... I'd be interested to see just how many complication free people are on this board. I'm talking about all complications even if the person is willing to live with it. I"m guessing not many.

It's not just the "size two all my life" people who think this a cop-out or bad!

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Originally Posted by excitedintx

I know there are bad but the good outweighs them. There are still lots of people who think this surgery is bad & is a cop-out. But I figure they've either been a size 2 all their lives & just don't get it or they belong to that NAAFA group & are just nuts.

LQQkn · 08-30-2007, 04:28 PM

My experience with complications and talking with people is that there are more people who have complications even if they are simple or small issues, and some with huge issues. If you took a poll here and asked if you have had no complications due to surgery.. I bet it would be a small number. I agree this surgery can save lives, and help them. But it's obviously not for everyone
Janie

veroniquetalk · 08-30-2007, 04:34 PM

I am one person who has not had a single complication from wls surgery - so far. I am a little over two years out.

paige52 · 08-30-2007, 05:45 PM

That is very cool... I'm sincerely excited for you. I wish it had been the same for me but unfortunately it hasn't been.

My hubby is "almost" complication free... gets upset stomach on & off and occasinal nausea but seem to do great.

I wish you continued success.... and thank you for sharing

Jeri · 08-30-2007, 06:38 PM

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paige52 · 08-31-2007, 08:52 AM

you are absolutely right on the button concerning the ability to find a report to suit your personal POV.... My job of many years required me to do so.

Part of the reason I posted the "rebuttal" on the board is because the report favoring WLS had been posted and for every ying there is a yang...so to speak.

I feel it's of the utmost importance that all sides of the issues be presented. I htink that WLS, all forms of it, is a valuable tool that comes with a price. That price can vary depending on the individual, their level of committment to using the tool and their body's natural reaction to the change in their digestive system.

For one person, let's take Van as an example, the cost is chronic low iron and the inability to eat meat. Regardless of how willing she is to accept these limitations, they are comlications and/or a cost to losing the weight. Totally worth it for her as well.

For another like Veronica above, there hasn't been a cost if I understand her post correctly. She is completely complication free, never sick, never suffers from malnutrition can eat whatever she wants... with results like that who wouldn't be encourage to jump on the WLS train. Hell I was persoanlly counting on those results for myself.

Take myself... I"m one of the extreme complication cases, intractable unexplained nausea for 11 months now, Hypoglycemia which I never had issues with before, low blood pressure causing me to pass out, pain with eating and drinking in the upper left quad of my abdomen and the inability to stop losing weight and low scores on all my blood work....malnutrition.

For me the costs are too high, I'm doing damage to my body and I'm scheduled for a reversal in 5 weeks. Nobody said... Hey you could end up with more problems after the surgery... they only talked about losing weight, looking good, having more energy... alll htese great things in my life as a healthy skinny person. Well I have to say I was a healthier fat person than I've been as a skinny person.

My point is this... many people are looking to make this decsion for themselves and in order to do that they have to have access to every side of the issue... not just the good one. There's lots of down sides to having this surgery, soem immediate and some that don't show up for years but they exsist and in numbers that honestly amaze me now that I'm researching it from a different perspective.