New Whey Protein Bullet Question - Page 3 - ThinnerTimes

JumboJulie · 05-05-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MiladyB

Only 15 grams? That's the lowest number I've ever heard quoted. I don't mean to argue with your nutritionist but that is pretty hard to believe. I mean a 4 oz hamburger has more protein than that! I've talked to several nutritionists and a physician that specializes in nutrition and they all have told me that the 30 gram number we hear floating around has no scientific backing and it simply isn't true. I've heard this from several medical sources along with doing my own investigating on-line. I'm a nurse and a bariatric support group leader so I try really hard to check things out when I hear them and this 15g limit or 30 g limit really isn't something that has been found to be true.

Again Beth, you have nailed it on the head. Thank you for posting this. I also have made a great effort to research this bit of info that never seems to stop circulating on this forum. You are absolutely right ... this 15 and 30 gram claim is absolute crap! There is NO scientific data supporting this. NONE.

MiladyB · 05-05-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Momof3

hey, it's what she said....15-18 I think were her exact speculations.

Like I said before, you ask 10 people, you get 10 different answers. That is the key for newbies on here - everyone is DIFFERENT. Every surgeon and nut is different...

that's why it is IMPERATIVE that we are "informed" rny'ers...you know?

to sort out fact from fiction.

You are exactly right. The more informed you are the better. I know there are all sorts of different things out there that you read and it is hard to figure out fact from fiction. Basicly you sort through what you read and figure out what works for you. Sometimes the so called experts out there don't have all of the newest information. Things change in the medical field so quickly that it is often hard to keep up with the latest information. It doesn't mean they are bad at their jobs.

You know maybe I'm wrong about the protein and if so that's fine. I just know that I have talked with several nutritionists and more than one physician and every one of them have told me that there is no scientific basis for that statement....that there are many factors that will effect how much protein a person can absorb at one time but that generally speaking people should be able to absorb more than 30 grams at one time.

Actually it really doesn't matter if you want to split up your protein in 15 gram increments or take 40 grams at once. As long as it is working for you, your labs are good, and you are getting in a minimum of 60 grams of protein a day...well, hey, whatever works is what is right for you.

Mumsy · 05-10-2008, 05:26 PM

I confess...I am a bullet drinker. There...I'm out of the closet on that. I have NOT been able to find a protein shake that agrees with me

. I have tried just about every powder and every recipe and they all make me feel like choking and puking (excuse my frankness here)!

So what I do; and perhaps it isn't the best way to get more protein...is I take one of those bullets that has 42 grams of protein and mix half of it in about 20 oz. of a "matching" sugar-free beverage such as Chrystal Light or sugar-free Kool-aid...drink that in the morning and then the rest in the afternoon. I also sometimes have another half of bullet in the evening.

My problem is I was never much of a water/beverage drinker. So this not only gets me some protein but gets me up to what my nutritionist says I should be drinking. So I use the grape bullet with grape kool-aid and the fruit punch with Chrystal Light, etc. I mix in a lot of ice and take this wherever I go during the day. I supplement the liquids with just plain water or I really feel dehydrated.

Otherwise I try to get a lot of protein in my food. Cottage cheese, yogurt, string cheese and shredded cheese on my refried beans, eggs. Meatloaf, meatballs and chicken or turkey.

Personally I would enjoy having an IV I could insert into myself (oh that's right, I hate needles

) and just "flow" the protein into my system without worrying about "pouch-turning" shakes & such. Ahhhhhhh...so good to vent.

Just my 5 cents! mumsy

JumboJulie · 05-10-2008, 08:57 PM

I'm right there with ya on that IV fantasy!

MiladyB · 05-10-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mumsy

I confess...I am a bullet drinker. There...I'm out of the closet on that. I have NOT been able to find a protein shake that agrees with me

. I have tried just about every powder and every recipe and they all make me feel like choking and puking (excuse my frankness here)!

So what I do; and perhaps it isn't the best way to get more protein...is I take one of those bullets that has 42 grams of protein and mix half of it in about 20 oz. of a "matching" sugar-free beverage such as Chrystal Light or sugar-free Kool-aid...drink that in the morning and then the rest in the afternoon. I also sometimes have another half of bullet in the evening.

My problem is I was never much of a water/beverage drinker. So this not only gets me some protein but gets me up to what my nutritionist says I should be drinking. So I use the grape bullet with grape kool-aid and the fruit punch with Chrystal Light, etc. I mix in a lot of ice and take this wherever I go during the day. I supplement the liquids with just plain water or I really feel dehydrated.

Otherwise I try to get a lot of protein in my food. Cottage cheese, yogurt, string cheese and shredded cheese on my refried beans, eggs. Meatloaf, meatballs and chicken or turkey.

Personally I would enjoy having an IV I could insert into myself (oh that's right, I hate needles

) and just "flow" the protein into my system without worrying about "pouch-turning" shakes & such. Ahhhhhhh...so good to vent.

Just my 5 cents! mumsy

I would say if that is the only way you can get in your protein it is better than nothing.

For myself I tried to get in as much protein as I could from my food and then supplement later in the day. But I do think it is important for us to keep in mind that those vials aren't the best choice for us after surgery and to use them only as long as we have to.

JMHO

This is a protein water that I used. I was able to buy it at Rite Aide.

http://www.stacker2.com/product_IE.a...=ln21pw&order=

I would do the same thing as you...dilute it in water and drink it all day. They also make one with 42 grams of protein but that one is harder to find.

This is another protein drink I used alot and I still really like it.
http://www.smartforme.com/index.asp?...WPROD&ProdID=8

Mumsy · 05-11-2008, 08:49 AM

Well...a girl has to do what a girl has to do. I'll talk with my dietitian on my next visit. By that time I should be on a "regular" diet (if you can call it that) and getting most of my protein thru food. Though my beloved dietitian did say I would be supplementing my diet with protein drinks or supplements FOREVER MORE

!

I have noticed that there are so many variations of what a person can consume or not consume or what they should be having for protein or not having and on and on and on. What works for one person may not work for another. We all do our best I guess.

My doctor is quite the "maverick" when it comes to eating before and after surgery. I only had to be on a liquid diet one day before surgery and after surgery was on a liquid diet for only a few days and then it was "soft". So far no complications; only one "dumping" incident and it's ever onward.

I guess I'm using this as an illustration of how what we consume and what we are told to do before and after surgery varies drastically sometimes from doc to doc and program to program.

Yup...a girl has to do what a girl has to do.

cheers...mumsy

MiladyB · 05-11-2008, 11:08 AM

I totally agree that we need to do what works the best for us. If something like these bullets is the only way you can get in your protein it most certainly is what you should be doing. It is better than nothing. So if that is the only thing that is working for you I most certainly am not one to say, don't do it.

On the other hand though, I do think that people need to be aware of the fact that there are certain protein supplements out there that don't provide us or anyone with some essential nutritional needs. I'm not talking only about people that have had surgery I'm also talking about anyone out there. Problem is we who have had surgery are probably relying more on these supplements than someone who didn't and as a result our body may not be getting some essential things.

This isn't just another doctor or nutritionist that has this opinion. It is the FDA, the World Health Organization, and the Institute of Medicine at
the National Academy of Sciences. Those institutions have set up a scoring system in order to rate protein. The lower number proteins are missing some or all of the essential amino acids that our body needs. These are essential for good nutrition. The lower scored ones are missing more. The rating goes 0-100 The higher the number the more complete the protein and these Whey protein bullets are rated a 5 or 6.

I do want to say though, if that is the only thing that is really working for you that is what you should be doing.

I most certainly am not going to judge anyone for doing the best that they can considering the situation but if someone can tolerate other protein supplements they may want to consider going that way verses a protein with a lower rating. The only reason for my comments is to educate people about some certain things that I have learned from other medical professionals. Then it is their own personal choice what they do with that information.

Godsblessedme · 05-11-2008, 06:50 PM

well i'm going back to my 2 scoops per drink i think i was loosing more weight then. I cut it back to 1 scoop per drink (23g) because even my biology teacher said it only makes sense that your body absorbs 23g more easily than it would 46g at a time. the way it breaks down in anyone, not just us RNY'ers so i will try that theory again