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Old 10-06-2004, 12:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The other day, Tonya and I were trading chat bits regarding the amazing fact that 90 percent (or more) of our social get-togethers in life involve food. Parties. Anniversaries. Birthdays. Meetings at work. Wedding receptions. Wakes and funeral receptions. Family reunions. Church coffee hours. Cookouts. Picnics. Club meetings. Fundraising dinners. Bridal Showers. Baby Showers. THE HOLIDAYS......You get the idea!

Let's use this thread to put our heads together and come up with ideas on how we can deal with this in our daily lives from now on, without succumbing to temptation, and without feeling sorry for ourselves for not being able to chow down like we used to at these events.

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Okay, I'll start.

I'm in personal denial about this, but Thanksgiving is NEXT MONTH!!!!! THE [#($*&$#*] HOLIDAYS are upon us (or do they start with Halloween?)

Well, this year's Thanksgiving for a lot of us, will the the first one without stuffing ourselves. So... how to deal with it?

First, let me offer this thought: "The only thing that should get stuffed on Thanksgiving is the TURKEY!

I'll be just barely beyond six weeks out at that point, so my food choices are going to be limited. I plan on focusing on the original meaning of the holiday, to give THANKS. I'll be thankful for being granted this chance to turn my life around. For all you folks on this forum who've helped me have the courage to go through with it, and live with it. For the wonderful support I'm getting at O.A. For the lovely souls at church who've surrounded me with their love. For freedom. For the people who've sacrificed their lives for this country. For nature. For my life, imperfect as it has been, and will continue to be. For my partner of the last 29 years. For my family and friends, living and departed.

My principal act of thanksgiving will be not the dinner, but the church service I'll go to. Perhaps that will help me put food in its proper perspective.
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Old 10-06-2004, 08:53 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You know Phil I was really thinking about that yesterday and its going to be hard. You know I go back to Ky for Thanksgiving to see my family. I do most of the cooking that day for the family and I'm always eating something when I'm cooking but this year is going to be so different. I'll have my family taste and tell me what it needs. I will still eat with my family but I will watch what I eat and no eating a whole pecan pie this year.

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Old 10-06-2004, 09:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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That was a great post. I remember last Thanksgiving as I was going through the process of surgery.. I had my Orientation in January so I had all the holidays to keep me busy. I remember when we were doing our traditional "what are you thankful for" speaches around the table. My reply was "I am thankful that this will be the last Thanksgiving that I will be able to stuff myself and take a nap. I am thankful that at this time next year I will be down 100 lbs or more" Guess what?? I didn't even know if I would get approved or have surgery at that time.. and I did it.. I'm down those 100 lbs. However, I did not have surgery so that I can diet for the rest of my life. Like Karla, I feel that I still must live. So I will have a bit of turkey and maybe a spoon full of mashed potatoes. I will stay away from the sweet potatoes as the sugar and marshmallows will make me sick. But if I am feeling frisky and decide I want to, I WILL have a bite of pumpkin pie. I hope it tastes yucky or makes me sick. Either way I can't eat the whole pie this year. And it's Thanskgiving afterall.. so if I want a bite, I will take it. I hope that makes sense. I am further out so I could probably tollerate a bite of it, if I have room for it. This year will be weird.. you have that right.. I'm not planning on attending all the Thanksgiving functions and eating at several houses this year... lol

I remember thinking last year how sad I was that it would be my last year of stuffing my face and I didn't realize until afterwards that who cares.. I am alive!! I am healthy!!! And dang it .. I am still going to have to eat.. so at least we're having turkey..lol
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Ever since I had the surgery (7 weeks ago), and I'm going to someones house I take my own food, a fruit, or my own water or sugar free juice. For this holiday's well like Christina said I'll have a little piece of turkey only and a teaspoon of mash potatoes. Thank God I dont like pies alot or cakes so I will be cool with that. But it is going to be extremely hard for me hanging around with my family for the holidays, they tend to make lots of food (tamales, turkey, buñuelos, etc, etc). Yesterday my mom came over and brought tamales, I had a little piece and it wasn't that bad, it was actually good.

What I am happy for about this comming holidays is that not all my family has seen me now after surgery, so they will all be in shock when they see how much weight I have lost, YUPPY! And I'll be able to wear nicer clothes.

I think the important part of this holidays is going to be that we are alive, we are alot healthier than last years holidays, God has been with all of us at all times (bad & good moments). I think this Thanksgiving, X-mas, & New Years will be the best holidays of my life, I just have that feeling. And I'm pretty sure it will be the same for alot of you guys. I want to thank you all for the support and for answering my questions even thought I have a different doctor.
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last year at thanksgiving i was six months out. i'm now a year and a half out and can eat a lot more than last year. what i did last year and i'll do this year i took a little of everything. i even had a couple bites of pie. this year i will take more of the healthy stuff, the turkey, and then have small portions of the other stuff while everyone else has huge heaping portions. remember, this is just a tool, and we're in control of what we put into our mouth and i just make healthy choices and i have to say in 7 months i've havent gained or lost a pound. i'm maintaining right where i want to be.
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That's great to hear! The ability to maintain. You are an inspiration to us all!
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I have it easy, my family doesn't get together for the holidays.

We do have lots of food at work. Since I spend 40+ hours a week there, it can be a distraction. Plus, everytime someone wants to go out to eat, they gravitate towards buffets. There's tons of Halloween candy lying around. Always bagels, muffins, cookies, and donuts too.
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I found this very interesting article in my email this morning and felt it was very appropriate to post under this thread... it's quite long but well worth the read... I copied and pasted it to word and then printed it out.. it's something I want to keep with me.... I hope it helps!

Food and Feelings: The Importance of Making The Connection
Friday, October 01, 2004 -- By Louisa Latela, MSW, LCSW

This article was reprinted courtesy of WLS Lifestyles, a quarterly magazine dedicated to the weight loss surgery community. For other great articles like this one, or to learn how to subscribe to the magazine, visit www.wlslifestyles.com.

I had been asked to speak to a Post-Op WLS support group a couple of years ago… around the time that gastric bypass was just starting to become “popular.” As a psychotherapist who has been working with persons struggling with weight issues for more than 17 years, I was astounded when I spoke to this support group and realized that many bariatric patients have never made the connection between food and feelings. The first woman to speak said she had become obsessed with having to be a size 0. She was in a size two and would not buy any type of clothing that was larger than that and was actively trying to get to that 0. She was exercising compulsively. Another woman reported that she was drinking more and acting out sexually. One participant said she “had it all”: great husband, great kids, a job she loved and all the money she could want, yet she had never been so unhappy. She was starting to eat chocolate again. Yet another member said she was so nervous, she did not know what to do with herself. When she got home at night she would be watching TV and get up and walk to the kitchen, open up the refrigerator door, then close it and go back to the TV. She would do this several times every night. Other people expressed great fears, for example, what life would be like as a thinner person.

I started to explain to them that I believe we are all born these perfect little psychic bundles of love. We are who we are in each moment, expressing our truth with freedom and innocence. If we’re happy we laugh, sad we cry, hungry we eat, full we stop. It doesn’t occur to us to not be real about who and what we are and how we feel. Then as we age we start to get sometimes very subtle and sometimes very overt messages that who we are is not ok - that it is not safe to express our truth. This can come from getting messages like “big boys don’t cry,” “oh, that doesn’t hurt,” “that was a stupid thing to say,” or maybe you heard your parents arguing and asked your mother what was wrong and she said “nothing is wrong everything is just fine,” and you start to think, “It didn’t feel fine to me. It felt like there was some anger. like something between my parents was really off,” but your mother who to this point you’ve believed to be the expert about life said everything was ok. Then you start to think, “something must be wrong with the way I think or perceive things.” You learn to not trust your instincts. Then one day someone comes along and asks, “What color is the sky?” and you think, “Well, I think it is blue, but I don’t know if what I think is right. The last time I cut my finger, it hurt and I cried. I was told that it didn’t hurt that bad, and I shouldn’t cry. I don’t know. Maybe the sky is purple or green.” And when we are unable to express our truth, it creates a great deal of anxiety. Often, families teach children to manage feelings like anxiety with food. When we are focused on food, we learn that we do not have to be present to the current situation, nor do we feel the pain of not being able to trust and/or express ourselves. Food eventually becomes a reliable coping mechanism, a comfort zone that allows us to ignore and disconnect from what is real.

Weight loss surgery patients who take the time to understand how and why they became morbidly obese and make the connection between food and feelings may make sturdier lifestyle changes that support long term weight loss. In the past 2 months I have had 4 people call my office who were 2-3 years post op. They were all starting to gain their weight back (anywhere from 25-65 pounds) and were desperate to understand why and learn what they could do to change it. None of these people had sought out any psychological counseling either before or after their surgery. They all thought, “It will just work because I won’t be hungry and my stomach can’t handle enough food to make me get fat again.” Unfortunately this was not the case. They had very little insight as to how they were using food to manage the intensity of their emotions.
One way to start to understand the role compulsive eating has played in your life, is to be aware of when your thoughts turn to food when you are not physically hungry, and ask yourself, "What would I be doing right now if I wasn’t thinking about food?” It is in these moments that it is very helpful to keep a journal. It doesn’t have to be in a fancy book, it can just be on a piece of scrap paper. The purpose here is to start to make you conscious of when you may be eating for reasons other than physical hunger. Before you can change a behavior you must first become aware of it. Write down anything that comes to mind. Try not to filter what you are writing. If you don’t know what you would be doing or what you are feeling write about what “not knowing” feels like, and ask yourself “what kind of nurturing do I need right now?”

I believe that compulsive eating is always an attempt to self nurture and that self love and compassion is the foundation upon which a successful recovery program must be built. People who are in the process of losing weight and attempting to change their lifestyle may be hard on themselves. Any small deviation from their meal plan may be looked at as a failure, triggering feelings of anger, depression and shame. They may be trying hard to cope, but the shame that follows this kind of self talk can intensify the feelings of hopelessness and lead one to give up on oneself entirely. It is in these moments that we all need to tell ourselves the same thing we would tell a child or loved one. Would we tell them they are a failure because they did not follow their meal plan? If we wouldn’t say it to them, then why would we say it to ourselves? It is in these moments that we must be extra kind and compassionate with ourselves. It is a time when we really need to give ourselves an emotional hug, and think about the idea that we are doing the thing that we least want to do (that is eat in a way that does not support good health). That we have done this is an indication that this behavior feels safer than sitting with some uncomfortable feelings. Sometimes we all struggle to love ourselves enough to believe that we are worth the effort of hanging in there with ourselves as we attempt to make behavioral changes that will support us living a healthier life.

Know that food is not good or bad, it just manipulates the energy in our bodies. Notice when and what you are eating and ask yourself, “Will this food support good health for me? How will I feel physically about 20 minutes after I am done eating this? How will I feel emotionally?” It has often been said that our lives are a manifestation of our intentions. Think about what that might mean in your life as you observe the way you eat. Is the way that you are eating and self caretaking an indication that your core intention for your life is something like: “It is my intention to have a healthy, joyful, abundant life” or is it something else? Just notice and think about what you would like the intention for your life to be. That to which we put our attention, expands.

As I mentioned earlier, it is not uncommon for people to express great fear and concern regarding what will life be like as a thin person. How will I handle attention from the opposite sex? What will I do with all the extra time and energy I will have when I am eating for good health and energy? What will I do without the protection of my excess weight? As people travel down the road to recovery from morbid obesity, they are sometimes surprised to find out that they are not so much afraid of failure, but of success. Uncovering feelings of unworthiness, asking, “Who am I to be successful and have a big life?” When actually they need to learn to ask the question, “Who am I not to be? What gives me the right to not have a fabulous life?” It is not uncommon for people to use excess weight as a way of putting distance between themselves and others. When this is the case, one must learn to be assertive and set appropriate boundaries, and at the same time, risk being vulnerable and experience emotional intimacy. It is important to acknowledge and process any of these feelings that might surface, because if ignored, they could trigger intense feelings of depression, a common comorbidity for bariatric patients, and fear which can sabotage your success. I believe that depression is an energy that is “depressed,” that it is a sign that there is something in one’s psyche or soul that wants to be expressed but has not had such an opportunity. (This is in no way meant to say that people who suffer from clinical depression need not consult with a physician and take meds as directed). When this oft times creative urge or passion tries to surface and it gets stuffed back down, a person often experiences this phenomenon as depression. As a bariatric patient one must start to explore what it is that excites them, what is it that sparks their interest, what triggers feelings of passion and excitement? Allow yourself to follow your passions. Allow yourself to play. Playing is a vitally important “nutrient” for the well being of our mind, body and spirit. It truly nurtures one’s soul.

It is important to understand that feelings are just energy in your body. They, like food, are not good or bad or right or wrong. You do not have to react to your feelings. You can breathe into them and just notice them. Eventually you will begin to understand how to change your feelings as you become aware of your core beliefs and self talk. We are taught in this society that we always have to “feel good” and if we begin to feel angry, sad, anxious, etc. , we must do something to stop the feeling; but, what is truly healing is to embrace the feeling, and just sit with it. It will eventually soften, and then you can move through it. When you start to truly “listen to yourself,” you will know what actions you must take in order to live a life that supports your highest good.

I am writing this article because I feel so passionately about the need to get this information out to the weight loss surgery population to help them understand that surgery is only the first step. Please, if you have had, or are considering having this surgery, be sure to set yourself up with a good aftercare plan that includes individual psychological and nutritional counseling/support, realistic exercise instruction, a primary care physician familiar with weight loss surgery and group support. Surgery is not a magic cure. There is both emotional and physical work to be done in order to live a life free from compulsive eating. But IT CAN BE DONE!!

Louisa Latela is a psychotherapist with 17 years experience in working with persons struggling with food/body/weight issues. Ms. Latela is a certified My Self Design Program Provider (www.myselfdesign.com) in Haddonfield, N.J. where she maintains a private practice. Louisa would love to hear from you. If the connections between "food and feelings" has affected your recovery from morbid obesity, please email louisalatela@comcast.net
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bridgett,
great article. thanks.
it just reiterates what i keep saying which is surgery is only a tool. just because they are surgically altering us, we still have to change our eating habits. i talked earlier in the week with two friends of mine who have had weight loss surgery. one of them had it 2 years ago and she told me her clothes were feeling tight. so she weighed herself and in 1 year she has gained back 17 pounds. i asked her why. back to old eating habits, no exercise, etc. the other one had it a month after me, may 2003. the other night her husband asked her, what are you trying to do, gain back your weight, as she ate a huge bowl of ice cream. she said she has no time for herself since she's so busy with work and her kids, etc., and is creeping back into old habits, no exercise, grabbing whatever is available to eat, not planning meals, etc. the bottom line is we have been given a tool, but as dale said at the last meeting, we have to develop routines and habits early one and stick to them.
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