Is dumping for real? - Page 4 - ThinnerTimes - Gastric Bypass Forum, Lap Band Forum, and Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy Forum

ardita · 06-19-2009, 08:50 AM

I had VSG and have dumped a couple of times. One after taking my Rx drugs in liquid form. Dumped and dumped and dumped on that. Tossed the liquid meds. Other time I dumped was last week, fter eating a crab cake, had a couple of tortillas and salsa, and had sips from a drink. Too much in and drinking just after my meal is a big no no. My body just rejected it all. Dumping is real and more so w gastric bypass than with vsg. You should view it as another tool which helps you to make good decisions.

As for the interpersonal stuff, jerseygirl tends to be harsh, though she wants the best for us or she wouldn't be part of this forum. Aside from the interpersonal, on a practical note, make sure you do some intensive research and foillow your doctors and nutrionists orders for the first few monnths. If you don't, you are a good candidate for learning all was for naught and you don't want that.

Native2u · 06-19-2009, 08:50 AM

Angel.....

I'm also in Florida and if you need/want to talk.....I'm available! Know this!!

However, I want to tell you to PLEASE stop testing your pouch. I went through the same things with the "head hunger". I was thinking that I was hungry, when I wasn't at all. I also thought at 3-4 weeks out that I was fine to eat my Taco Chicken Casserole and I did eat it.....just a little bit at that. Within 30mins I thought that I was dieing!! I was in horrible pain and didn't know what to take or if I should go to the ER...it was that bad. (I was dumping!!...I now know this) I still go through the "head hunger" sometimes. But I have to just fight it off and tell myself that I'm just not hungry....that I just ate. Not everyone dumps on the same things. I'm actually happy that my pouch is as sensitive as it is to food. Have I had to learn the "hard way"...YES, I have and so have most people on this forum.

With regards to drinking before and after dinner. That is something that EVERYONE has to learn NOT to do. I will admit...I still have trouble in this department at times. Although, if I'm eating and it is something that isn't moist.....I will drink just a sip, just to get it down or to add more moisture to it. I have done this many of times, but I don't abuse it. Whoever posted (I don't remember who it was) that said that drinking before and after will only wash out what you just put in your pouch....they are absolutely right. Learning to not drink before a meal (15 mins) and after a meal (15 mins) is a very HARD thing to do~ don't think that you are alone on that one!

I really hope that will continue to post on Thinner Times. I'm also hoping that you will take the time (if you haven't already) to go through this forum and read. I have done this and it's actually really, really helpful.

watfam4 · 06-19-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Native2u

I really hope that will continue to post on Thinner Times. I'm also hoping that you will take the time (if you haven't already) to go through this forum and read. I have done this and it's actually really, really helpful.

I agree.

flyingangel - Nothing personal, but you are a little behind the on the learning curve for someone who's already post-op. But I'll guess that having a baby in the house did not help you there

. Anyway, like Native said, there is a lot good information here to get you up to speed.

And for all of us who have had WLS and did NOT take any dieting baggage with them post-op, should now commence with the throwing of stones

rainrain · 06-19-2009, 09:30 AM

Hi Angel,

I am going to try to suggest a few things to you, and hope that the typed word and lack of inflection does not make me sound harsh. With that said, know that I have been where you are, I understand your confusion. We "all" have been there who have had this surgery.

No one can predict "exactly" how each person will respond to the alterations. Some have dumping and some do not, but most do, in some form or another. You WILL know when it happens to you. My guess is what ever you eat right now, will not be "enough" to dump on, since you are so early out.

Also, people dump on different things. There is no fixed rule. Sugars, fats, dairy, these are the common culprits, but again, it is when there is a decent volume of these items.

As far as testing your pouch, not sure what your doc recommends, but most have you refrain from foods that can irritate the healing process. You are not on a restricted diet for weight loss at this point. You are restricted so that your alteration can heal properly. That is why you must adhere to your doctors recommendations, as he would need to know if you are eating outside that, in case it causes a complication.

Most people are still eating soft foods at your stage. Which brings me to drinking while you eat. Once again this is not about "can", but about "why" you do not want to. There was a wonderful post a while back about how the RNY, eliminates a part of the stomach that helps liquids stay in the stomach, so with out it, the liquid pushes out the food and therefore makes your pouch a funnel, which will leave you feeling hungry all the time. This is especially important after 1 or 2 years. I encourage you to begin adopting the habit of not drinking while eating even if you "can". I beleive this very important habit will ensure permanent weight loss.

What this surgery has offered you is the ability to have complete and total control over your body. You may want to explore what that really means for you. There are a lot of ways to go around this procedure. But is that why you had this surgery? I am sure not. What you may not have expected, is how much your own ability to control what your future lies, is within how you choose to respect the change in you.

I am almost 5 years post op, and the best lesson I learned in this weight surgery is that it isn't about being allowed or being what I am able to do, it is all about what I choose to control and what I want in my life.

Grab onto that, you know you can. You made a very brave decision to have this surgery, empower your self, and make the choices that mean everlasting good health, and the weight will come off, and more importantly, stay off.

Good habits early on are in fact more important than the surgery itself.

I hope I have informed and empowered you in a positive and encouraging way. We have all gone through our own struggles what ever they may be. I applaud you for asking the tough questions and apologize that your concern opened you up for criticism, but this is an open forum and communities are diverse and not every one will want the same kind of advice or be given advice to suit you uniquely.

It is the nature of public forums to get feisty.

Good luck to you, and if you have more questions, keep them coming, but know that you will get a colorful array of responses...LOL

Choose healthy and be well!!
Rain

poet_kelly · 06-19-2009, 09:38 AM

Yes, dumping is "real." However, not everyone dumps. Most people who do dump would not do so on melba toast or raisin bran, though. I advise you to stop testing your pouch. You really don't want to dump, it's no fun. Beyond that, you obviously aren't following the guidelines you got for eating after surgery. Why would you put yourself through a major surgery only to ignore your doctor's orders? Makes no sense to me.

Kelly

LoriAnn925 · 06-19-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rainrain

Hi Angel,

I am going to try to suggest a few things to you, and hope that the typed word and lack of inflection does not make me sound harsh. With that said, know that I have been where you are, I understand your confusion. We "all" have been there who have had this surgery.

No one can predict "exactly" how each person will respond to the alterations. Some have dumping and some do not, but most do, in some form or another. You WILL know when it happens to you. My guess is what ever you eat right now, will not be "enough" to dump on, since you are so early out.

Also, people dump on different things. There is no fixed rule. Sugars, fats, dairy, these are the common culprits, but again, it is when there is a decent volume of these items.

As far as testing your pouch, not sure what your doc recommends, but most have you refrain from foods that can irritate the healing process. You are not on a restricted diet for weight loss at this point. You are restricted so that your alteration can heal properly. That is why you must adhere to your doctors recommendations, as he would need to know if you are eating outside that, in case it causes a complication.

Most people are still eating soft foods at your stage. Which brings me to drinking while you eat. Once again this is not about "can", but about "why" you do not want to. There was a wonderful post a while back about how the RNY, eliminates a part of the stomach that helps liquids stay in the stomach, so with out it, the liquid pushes out the food and therefore makes your pouch a funnel, which will leave you feeling hungry all the time. This is especially important after 1 or 2 years. I encourage you to begin adopting the habit of not drinking while eating even if you "can". I beleive this very important habit will ensure permanent weight loss.

What this surgery has offered you is the ability to have complete and total control over your body. You may want to explore what that really means for you. There are a lot of ways to go around this procedure. But is that why you had this surgery? I am sure not. What you may not have expected, is how much your own ability to control what your future lies, is within how you chose to repect the change in you.

I am almost 5 years post op, and the best lesson I learned in this weight surgery is that it isn't about being allowed or being what I am able to do, it is all about what I chose to control and what I want in my life.

Grab onto that, you know you can. You made a very brave decision to have this surgery, empower your self, and make the choices that mean good everlasting good health, and the weight will come off, and more importantly, stay off.

Good habits early on are in fact more important than the surgery itself.

I hope I have informed and empowered you in a positive and encouraging way. We have all gone through our own struggles what ever they may be. I applaud yuo for asking the tough questions and apologize that your concern opened you up for criticism, but this is an open forum and communities are diverse and not every one will want the same kind of advice or be given advice to suit you uniquely.

It is the nature of public forums to get feisty.

Good luck to you, and if you have more questions, keep them coming, but know that you will get a colorful array of responses...LOL

Choose healthy and be well!!
Rain

Rain - You are a wise, wise woman.

rainrain · 06-19-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LoriAnn925

Rain - You are a wise, wise woman.

thank you

flyingangel_08 · 06-19-2009, 04:47 PM

Sprite - What is that? You try to insult someone by putting links that have nothing to do with weight loss? That's not actually helpful to me or anyone here. As far as hard hearing, if it were you or I that had that problem it would be your old ass. I guess if I was old and looked the way you do I should understand your being rude to young women. As far as my original question, I dont believe there was anything wrong with that. I was just asking a question to see what others might have been through similar to my experience.
rain - Thank you for your feedback. I found it very helpful and you made me think about that this is the time for healing, not so much dieting. That does put things into perspective.
native - thank you for your response as well.
Jersey - Maybe your right about perfect timing for surgery, but I dont have a lot of time. I think everyday that I'm going to be chasing after a toddler soon, and what am I supposed to tell her mommys to fat and tired to play? So maybe you will understand why I decided to do it now even though it may not seem time appropriate to you. Okay, look I'm not trying to insult you by any means that's not who I am, but you have to understand you haven't been the nicest person and I've only responded to things that you have said. As for your #3, that's why I came to this forum so that people like yourself that have been through this can coach me to do the right things.

jerseygrl684 · 06-19-2009, 05:15 PM

Comin here and saying it doesn't justify it, but it is a start to changing.

Also, no reason to call me out.... Cos there's plenty others on here who wouldn't condone what u did.

ragazzarosa · 06-19-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by flyingangel_08

Sprite - What is that? You try to insult someone by putting links that have nothing to do with weight loss? That's not actually helpful to me or anyone here. As far as hard hearing, if it were you or I that had that problem it would be your old ass. I guess if I was old and looked the way you do I should understand your being rude to young women. As far as my original question, I dont believe there was anything wrong with that. I was just asking a question to see what others might have been through similar to my experience.

Hey angel, take it easy with the personal insults. I realize that you are probably really emotional right now, but that portion of the conversation is not netting any positive information right now.

Just remember that we're all real people here behind the screen and if you don't like something someone says, you can always ignore it.