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Old 11-10-2004, 03:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So, I've been gradually going downhill for the past week - not interested in jogging, smoking too many cigarettes, then on Monday I had a little sugar frenzy and had two Reese's Peanut Butter cups... Yeah, it's been getting worse. I've been telling myself that it's just getting close to that time of the month and that I'm PMSing, but that only holds up IF nothing else is going on, and well... something else is definitely going on.

After blowing off another workout this morning, I decided to come clean and have "the talk" with my husband that I've been postponing for a while now. It's not even that I knew what I was going to say, but that SOMETHING had to be said. We've had a rocky relationship since the start, something which is both of our faults. I grew up in horrible conditions, never had a healthy relationship, didn't trust or expect much from men, hated myself, totally codependent, blah blah blah; he grew up in an alcoholic household, has battled alcoholism for years, likes to view himself as the vulgar/vile/drunk/drugged writer, and has been suicidally depressed since being diagnosed with MS over two years ago. I'm sure that all of this is a new dimension of our relationship that most (if not all) of you didn't know about... well, that's why this post is called "coming clean."

Anyway, as I'm getting happier and healthier, he's either stayed the same or regressed. We had a big discussion right after my surgery when we were both home on disability about the fact that I definitely saw myself headed in a direction that would totally separate us if he didn't do something about where he was headed. He got his sh** together (some of it anyway) and started exercising more, watching what he ate, and attempting to work (his disabilities from MS keep him in and out of disability, but when he can work it's in his best interest to do so.) He's lost almost 50 lbs to my 120, and has felt better in many ways... BUT he hasn't done anything about taking care of his MS. One of the symptoms of his MS is manic-depression (bi-polar) and although he takes an anti-depressant, there are dozens of things that he could do to manage his disease(s) better and he simply won't. Not can't, like he says, but won't. Ultimately, MS has been a total mindbender for him (which I completely understand) and he has not yet decided whether he wants to take care of himself and live as full of a life as he can muster... or whether he wants to die young, handsome, and still able to walk and talk. I've lived with this for 2 and a half years, and I'm so sorry that I cannot do it any more.

I'm posting this here because I think that a lot of us post-ops are probably going through relationship issues. I talked to Kelly about it today in my 6-month visit - Dr. Callery's office has always been very upfront with the fact that their post-op divorce statistics are unbearably high. I told her today that I think it's because when you take a person who is very physically and emotionally unhealthy the chances of them having a healthy relationship are very slim. (no pun intended ) For the past 7 years, while confronting all of my personal issues, I've been reminded over and over and over again of how young I was when I got married (22); how I chose someone who, although non-violent, had many of the characteristics of the men who were my father figures; how I settled because I was so surprised that someone who was smart and attractive could want to be with me. It's so hard to admit those things, but they are true.

I'm actually starting to LOVE myself for the first time in my life. Over the past few months, I've had more hope for the future than I ever believed possible. I'm terrified and excited and so freaking happy, I barely know who I am anymore... and that's okay because when I think about who I used to be, all I can see is a dark cloud.

Stretton's been telling me for years (maybe even since we first met) that I'm too good for him. Whenever we had arguments, he always said that I could do better than him. I always figured that his self-esteem was so low he couldn't see the plain truth - that ugly, fat, horrible me did the best that I could ever expect to do by marrying him. Now, I'm not ugly or fat or horrible - I'm smart and talented and beautiful and I have an optimism that can even survive last week's election and just as I finally feel like my outsides are starting to match my insides, I want my relationship to be a reflection of all of that hope and beauty. For the first time in my life, I'm starting to believe that I might be worth it.

I'm terribly afraid of what people are going to say about this post, but you guys and gals have helped me through some dark stuff in the past, so I'm hoping (there's that word again) that you'll have some nuggets of wisdom and reflection to pass along. Love ya, B
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Old 11-10-2004, 04:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Barbara,

First of all - I'm sending you a ((((((((BIG HUG))))))))

Is marriage counseling an option? I'm on my second marriage, so I'm no expert. I can say that marriage counseling has saved my marriage (the second one) but I don't know for how long. We would have been divorced years ago if not for counseling.

I do understand being done. Life is way too short to be unhappy

My thoughts and prayers are with you!
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Old 11-10-2004, 04:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Red face Thank you so much, Kim.

Big hugs and love back to you - I knew you'd be the first to come to my rescue!

Counseling is something that I've always found to be very helpful; however, Stretton doesn't see it that way. He's tried 4-5 therapists/psychiatrists over the past few years and doesn't seem to find a way to make it past 1-2 appointments. Ultimately, I know he's not ready and I've waited for years for him to be ready... I can't wait any longer. He's agreed several times to marriage counseling over the past few years, but never follows through. In the past, I've been the willing co-dependant by making appointments, finding something to fit his schedule, etc., but he's always found a way to cancel on me.

We're still very good friends and will work out whatever we can. I'm his biggest fan, and I love him more than he could ever understand. When we were talking this morning, he said that this is probably going to be a very good thing for him - he knows he needs to start taking responsibility for his life and his health and he knows that I've been carrying the burden for a very long time. I have no plans to file any papers any time soon, but I'm considering moving out next month. If he can show me some progress (and not just the intent that I've seen for 12 years) then things may change. I haven't completely given up hope, but I'm finally becoming okay with the idea that even if it doesn't work out everything will still be alright.

Thanks again, sweetie. B
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Old 11-10-2004, 05:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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wow, I wish I know what to say to make you better, but never being married this is a hard one for me.. but it seems you are very happy with yourself now, and you know in your heart what needs to be done.. and i wish you luck and especially happiness in whatever you do decide.
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Old 11-10-2004, 06:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Barbara:

I was involved in an off-and-on emotionally abusive relationship for 17 years. I settled because I thought I didn't deserve anything else. I was most comfortable being abused--that's all I knew.

When I finally hit rock bottom--completely burned out with nothing left--I knew the only way I could go was up. So, I started again and scratched my way back from hell. One of the goals I had was to lose weight to improve my self-image. Although it was a fasting diet, it worked initially and I lost 90 lbs. in 4-1/2 months.

An amazing thing happened. As the pounds melted away, I blossomed like a butterfly from its cocoon. By finally loving ME, I was able to release myself from that destructive relationship.

Self-love and self-respect are righteous, mighty powers. Never second guess yourself for doing what is RIGHT for you. All of us deserve happiness, success and love. Even me...even YOU.
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Old 11-10-2004, 06:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Barbara,

There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Just know that you MUST do what is right for you and only you know how you feel. I was married before to a loser, bum, druggie, wife abuser, so it was easy for me to walk away, but it took me 7 years to do it. You are a strong lady and whatever you chose to do, we will be here for you. I feel bad that you have to go through this, but I know everything will be ok. We are all here for you!
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Old 11-10-2004, 07:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Barbara,
As I'm sure you know, people don't change unless they want to change and even then it is a very long, difficult road. It sounds as though your husband doesn't want to fully invest himself in changing HIS life. I'm very sorry for what you are going through but it's important for you to decide how you want to live YOUR life.
Congratulations on coming to the realization that you are a smart, strong, beautiful and talented woman. Don't ever forget that....

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Old 11-10-2004, 09:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thumbs up You guys are the best!

Lori - thank you so much for your positive response. Saying that you don't know what to say is so honest and touching and I really do appreciate your words.

Dara - What can I say, Dara? I knew I liked you from the moment I saw you in the hospital. You and I have similar histories, and your words mean a lot to me because I know that it is what I would say (and have said) to a friend who was in my same position. Isn't it odd how we think all those things apply to everyone else but us? Thank you yet again for opening up and for being such a tremendous support to me. Love ya, B

Dale - You made me smile! Your post was like a big "You Go Girl" and I SO needed that today. Thank you so much!

Lori K - You're exactly right - thank you for the support and validation!

I knew that posting this was the right thing to do - thank you all for helping me today. I sincerely appreciate it.
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Barbara,

I was abused as a child. My dad was an abused child and didn't know how to raise us any different. Not an excuse, just an explanation. When I got married I thought I was marrying a wonderful, caring man. No, I was marrying Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde. Took a few months before it started, but I found myself right back in the role of victim. My ex had undiagnosed sleep apnea and would wake up in the middle of the night and beat the dickens out of me. I would try to kick him out or leave myself, then be too terrified of "being alone". God, what a wimp I was. Once he got diagnosed he quit hitting, but turned to the mental and verbal abuse. That is worse than physical I think. Well, six years ago HE wanted out (thank the Lord!) and the day before my surgery our divorce was final. The best day of my life was the day he moved out, though I didn't know it at the time. I am much happier and more outgoing (okay that is still a stretch for me) than ever before!

Making the first step is hard. But do what you need to do FOR YOU. Not for anyone else. You will be happier that way. I know you are strong enough to do it. Good luck, we are here for you.
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Old 11-10-2004, 11:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I watched my sisters marriage hit the rocks about a month out from surgery. He went as far as moving out. She was a wreck. The emotions of the surgery were not aided by the stress of the fallout.

She has told me that my husband and I will have trouble once I go through with the surgery. I hope that what I learned from her will assist me in my journey.

My sister and her husband have mended their relationship. He moved back home soon after moving out if anything it turned out to be a renewal of their relationship.

I hope that everything works out well for you. You are in my thoughts.

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